Michael Jackson’s place in pop history?

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2009, 05:55:26 PM »
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I am just posting in the moment what I see, and that includes what I saw with Michael jackson and also this phantom character known as “Enzo”  This is amusing really. I have gotten into debates with these “,” types before. I don’t know if Enzo is a man or woman or if “it” has ever been on benzos.  no sig line. no history,  no age , no sex, no nothing.  no intro , no blog.  A new member with  no history.  ha ha.   Well my history with benzos and w/d is an open book, as is my entire life. These hidden and hiding types are totally disgusting to me and there is some name calling.  I like to call a spade a spade.   So if there is a real “Enzo” please stand up and be a real person instead of a mirage.     Flick frack
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2009, 06:33:51 PM »
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Thanks, ginger!

I just wish people could debate without calling people names and attempting to discredit someone for having a differing opinion.

We have all been labeled unfairly or incorrectly in our lives.  And it doesn’t feel good.  We have been labeled mentally ill, or simply crazy, malingering, or hypochondriacs. Our very situation with benzos is labeled otherwise by the misinformed.

I would hope that on a site where we are supposed to feel open that it would be obvious that it feels unsafe when others are labeled, whoever they are.

This desire for fairness does not make me “homophobic” or a “prude” or a “,”, as I have been labeled here by Flick.  And it really shouldn’t matter what my birthdate is or my gender, for that matter.

I am simply trying to point out that we, perhaps above all others, should know better than to state opinion as fact.  Or speak with any authority about something that we don’t know as fact.  Or speak in a cavalier manner about someone’s private business.  Mine, yours or Michael Jackson’s.

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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2009, 07:45:11 PM »
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Give me a break , Enzo, all your little jibes and pokes and hits are no different than  ”name calling”   Thanks  C.   You are right.  That is what I was pointing out on several of these threads about Michael Jackson.  People put him up on a pedestal due to his musical talents , because he was able to stimulate many pleasurable and wonderful feelings in them.  so they get all nostalgic and defensive of him.  But he was just another neurotic and ordinary person really. And he did happen to die, just like everyone dies.  Dying does not make anyone special.  That is another thing that is hidden and swept under the carpet in our society. No one wants to really deal with the fact of death, so they make in sacrosanct and it is sort of a sin to talk about someone after they have died, as if that person could give a damn what is said about them.  They must be looking on from heaven and getting offended or something like that.

It would have been nice if Michael Jackson had not had a drug problem and emotional problems and sexual repression problems and could have done another world tour and wowed a lot more people and had died at 90 instead of 50 , but all these things also made him who he was.  He was a wild eccentric talented beloved by many.   nevertheless he was still a gay person stuck in the closet and greatly frustrated by this and his blackness also.   Now I have some gay friends who saw Michael and said there is no way he was not gay. I have no idea if he molested young boys or not.  To me that sort of thing is not obvious one way or the other.  But being gay or not is pretty obvious most of the time.  Still he was certainly a good person in many ways and gave much money to help children and the poor.  I , like C, am not sure why it is so bad to see all facets of a person.   And Michael Jackson chose to be a very public person.  not my fault.   I do not read National Enquirer type papers or even that smut mag “People” and I do not watch any reality shows.  I do watch Bill Maher , because he is funny and also not afraid to call a spade a spade.  he was great the last few times I watched. He had Oliver Stone on , who is a practicing Buddhist , and one of the great film directors.   His movie on religion is classic too  Him and Michael Moore are very good at pointing things out.     Flick frack

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