Cult leader’s sick obsession with dual milk titration guru Jana Hill


At the now defunct Benzo Detox Recovery, Jana claimed that Colin no longer owned Benzo Buddies. She raved that her dual milk micro titration method would finally be taken seriously. She denounced the tapering methods of Ashton, whom the hateful and bitter Jana called “old woman Ashton”.  She salivated over the prospect of the permanent closure of Benzo Buddies (with former members fleeing to the safety of Benzo Detox Recovery).

In the only reply to Jana’s delirious utterances, one of her paranoid cult members blamed Big Pharma for Benzo Buddies being temporarily down. It’s all a Big Pharma conspiracy to stop the world from knowing about Ashton and microtapering (with milk) – of course.

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Jana
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 03:43:32 AM

BB’s is not just down. The domain has been bought by someone other than Colin Moran. The old place is no more. This seems to account for the sudden increase in new memberships. This is a surprise, of course, for many reasons. Anyway, it would be good to say that what we have been doing here is very different from what BB’s or other sites have done. We do not support the old and failed methods. We focus on how to get better as a taper progresses. BB’s site had stated that this was impossible. New people may notice that we have no arguing or attacking of people here. Different views are encouraged to be discussed. The owners of the ideas are not the issues. I believe that the people who come here want the different kind of help that is offered here. These people would have no reason to participate at these other sites. Mixing methods has no good outcome. One site is claiming the results of the MicroTaper as its own. This issue may come up. Be aware that I began this work in 2005. That is long before the imitatiors had heard the word, benzodiazepine. Google caches these things. Also be aware that I have coined terms to refer to benzo phenomena. These original terms are misused by some sites to send traffic to them instead of this intended site. I expect some things to change soon, but the focus will not change. This thread will be added to. Anyone who has input can place it here or in a new thread. Honest and earnest discussion is encouraged. This helps all of us to learn. We don’t want to be so satisfied with a status quo that we don’t seek new knowledge. Jana

joe_oct
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 4:02:11 PM

I was from there. I have friends there too and we do support each other (more on moral support). I am going to miss them; not sure why the site is closed; hopefully not because of the drug company. This is absolutely immoral if that is the case.

Crippling years-long Ashton tapers forcing addicts to decide between a sink bath or continuing to wallow in filth

And why not?...?
« on: June 27, 2016, 02:16:14 pm »

[Buddie]

This is a question that I have learned to ask myself a lot. Let’s face it, we have all been using all of our energy to battle symptoms. And why not… use this energy for something else? Here goes…

1. Put carpet shampoo on just one area of the carpet, let it dry, and vacuum it up? Even if you feel you’re going to fall, you see that you don’t, and in that one moment you smile.

2. Slap a swiffer cloth on the mop and force it around that nasty kitchen floor. Can’t hurt can it? If the spasms in your face get worked up, WEAR EM OUT!

3. Take two sips of the cold Coke you have in the fridge. It might make you stand up straighter.

4. Challenge yourself to unload the dishwasher. It helps with back and arm strength.

5. Talk to yourself out loud. Practice difficult vocabulary to prove to yourself ” if I can say that, I’m o.k.”.

6. Burst out in laughter at yourself. Imagine yourself convulsing over the funniest thing you ever heard. Here’s one : ” He/She is crazier than a FRUIT BAT”! This lets you know if you can laugh, you’re not headed to the E.R.

7. Make your bed. Even if the covers are a tossed up mess (proof you got no sleep last night) it will give you some comfort to try again tonight.

8. Walk out and get the mail . ” I didn’t say read it!”

9. Put on clean clothes. Even if you can only take a sink bath, it makes you feel like a functioning part of society! At least you smell better!

10. Lastly, look at all those little things you did today! Be proud of them IT WILL GIVE YOU CONFIDENCE FOR TOMORROW!

SMILES EVERYONE… YOUR BODY AND MIND WILL FOLLOW! I?

Jana Hill of benzodetoxrecovery.com / milk micro-taper fame – reinstates on benzos

Jana has reinstated!!!!
« on: June 27, 2016, 11:57:56 pm »

[Buddie]

I have it on solid authority. Evidently her lingering problems from her old site and her disappointment over not getting a patent for her milk microtitration method put her in a wave. She now realized that she tapered too quickly the first time so she has reinstated to 1mg K and will do a proper slow taper this time. Pulling for her.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2016, 12:27:50 pm »

[Buddie]

OMG !

Jana from that benzodetoxrecovery site ?

I don’t know her history, but it looks like she really messed up. Of course, that’s not uncommon.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 05:51:41 am »

[Buddie]

I have no idea who this poor person even is, but do you two realize you sound rather gleeful about her troubles? You can say that you’re not, but you chose these words, and that’s how they come across. 

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 02:02:42 pm »

[Buddie]

Putting words in my mouth, […] ? You’re one to talk !

I’d never be gleeful about something like that. It’s tragic.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2016, 05:37:42 pm »

[Buddie]

Okay, I misspoke. It was […] who sounded gleeful with this exclamation-pointed announcement. You, […], were merely judgmental. Since to reinstate means a person was at least off the drugs for some period of time–a goal you yourself are apparently yet to achieve in this journey–where do you get off tut-tutting that she “really messed up?”

And what was the point of posting this sad bit of news in the first place? 

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 09:13:31 pm »

[Buddie]

We have a Report to Moderator about comments on this thread. I have to agree, what is the point of posting this? It’s gossip and it’s unsubstantiated.

That’s my personal opinion, not my ‘admin’ opinion, by the way.

I don’t see any rules broken here, although the quibbling is borderline and needs to stop. However, if this thread continues to be gossipy and contentious it will be locked.

Thanks,
[…]

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 09:21:39 pm »

[Buddie]

The thought of someone suffering so much as to reinstate is heartbreaking.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 11:39:34 pm »

Colin

There are some unsubstantiated remarks to this thread, but there are some important points I feel I should address irrespective of the factual basis for the claims about Jana’s ‘reinstatement.’

Hi […],

It seems that you (and probably the majority of those reading this thread) are unaware that for many years Jana had her own benzodiazepine withdrawal support forum, where she promoted a system of withdrawal (Dual TitrationTM) which she claimed to be superior to all other methods. She would personally devise individualised withdrawal regimes for her members based upon a secret recipe. She eventually filed for a patent on her method – the patent made little sense to me or anyone I asked to review it. I had nothing to say about Jana and her formula until: 1) her method and her forum were being heavily promoted at BB by a few of her members; and 2) she published her (hitherto secret) method via a patent application.

There was a long thread developing at BB about Jana’s method and patent. At this point I posted some detailed remarks about her method and its promotion at BB. My comments did not go down well with the few individuals attempting to promote Jana’s method at BB. Please note, I never disallowed discussion at BB regarding Jana’s method, her forum or her patent. However, I did heavily (and quite rightly) critique her system and how it was being promoted at BB and elsewhere. It is worth noting that at Jana’s forum (and at BB via her supporters), Prof. Ashton’s protocols were being (groundlessly) demonised as “cut and suffer”. You can read more about this matter and my comments from here, onwards:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=72390.msg973423#msg973423

Anyway, that’s the background. The thing is, if I reinstated benzodiazepines, with my higher online profile within these circles, it probably would be news around here and related spaces. But, it really shouldn’t be. Not, at least, in such ‘shocked tones’. If I reinstated, I could rightly point out that I do not promote my personal experience of withdrawal as being any more valid than that of anyone else. Nor do I promote a personally devised method as being superior to all other methods. In short, I am not a ‘withdrawal guru’ and am careful in how I promote myself to avoid such a mistaken perception. Jana is no more immune than me or anyone else to problems which might lead her to reinstate. My criticism is that Jana should not have played the role of ‘withdrawal guru’. I’ve seen this elsewhere, within and without the benzodiazepine withdrawal community. It is unhealthy and can lead to unrealistic and/or mistaken expectations of outcome (good or bad). Seeing your ‘guru’ falter might lead you to question your own progress. I am sure that being ‘guru’ to many people going through benzodiazepine withdrawal was ever Jana’s intention, but if you do play such a role, others will feel let down when others point out problems with your method, or you suddenly close your forum and cease providing tailored withdrawal services, or when you ‘fail’ in some manner. This is one of the main reasons why BB is organised as a peer-support environment.

I must also address the proposal of reinstatement of benzodiazepines after very many years of abstinence ‘to do the taper properly’: pharmacologically speaking, this makes absolutely no sense! Of course, such a reinstatement does not equate with the reversal of a cut because an individual has tapered too quickly and cannot bear the withdrawal symptoms. Nor does it equate it with someone who has quit (for however long) who subsequently decides to reinstate for whatever (considered) reason. However, I really do wish to nip in the bud the proposal that after a protracted period of abstinence from benzodiazepines that there are any good reasons for reinstatement for the sole purpose of ‘withdrawing again, properly’. I’ve seen this idea crop quite a number of times over the years. It just does not work like that. The three realistic options would be: 1) stay off benzodiazepines; 2) reinstate because it is your (and your doctor’s) considered opinion that this is best for you; or 3) reinstate with a goal of withdrawing sometime in the future when circumstances are better. But to reinstate (after many, many years abstinence) to ‘do withdrawal right’? No way! That’s plain wrong.

Quote from: [Buddie] on June 27, 2016, 11:57:56 pm
I have it on solid authority. Evidently her lingering problems from her old site and her disappointment over not getting a patent for her milk microtitration method put her in a wave. She now realized that she tapered too quickly the first time so she has reinstated to 1mg K and will do a proper slow taper this time. Pulling for her.

I wish Jana very best – I really do. I do not criticise Jana or anyone else who wishes to reinstate their use of benzodiazepines (I refer you all to the BB Mission Statement). But for the benefit of our members and anyone else who might read this thread: there is absolutely no pharmacological benefit/basis to the reinstatement of benzodiazepines years after withdrawal purely for the purposes of supposedly withdrawing again, but this time, ‘properly’.

Kooks add bruising to list of 90,000,000 benzo withdrawal symptoms

Anyone else bruising easy?
« on: June 25, 2016, 01:29:16 am »

[Buddie]

I have a bruise on my leg from meditating with shoes on all the time. I never bruise even if I get hit hard I don’t bruise. Well now I might .

Is this because my blood is flowing all wacky?

“I WANNA UPDOSE!”

Dumb question - Sorry ahead of time
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:29:17 am »

[Buddie]

So i’m well into my taper. (see sig)

I’ve been taking 7.5mg Valium since June 5, after a pretty fast crossover and taper, with a 2.5mg cut. The last few days (not including today for some reason) have been wonderful. I felt ‘normal’. I was ready to cut again, ahead of schedule. Today, well, it feels like I was ran over by a Mack truck, dunked in a gas tank, lit on fire, had my brain pulled through my ears, while having vertigo, and extreme tinnitus. It seriously feels like I made a rather large cut, when I haven’t.

So i’m thinking this… Since I’m feeling like crap any damn ways, would it be dumb to make a cut now, and just ride this wave through? My thinking is ‘why suffer for nothing’. At the same time, i’m like, I WANNA UPDOSE to get normal again. This is not an option though, as I refuse to have to cover ground I’ve already endured. I feel like i’m at a cross road where I can’t figure out if I wanna try to get ‘stable’ again, or just ride this wave down. My pdoc also thinks it’s ok to cut 2.5mg every couple weeks, (she’s made an exception to allow me to hold longer than normal  ) And .5mg Xanax is 5mg of Valium. I know she’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, but she’s all I got access to, so I kinda gotta go with her on this.

Basically, is it better to suffer for something, than suffer for nothing? And, also, i know a slower taper is preferred, and a 5-10% cut is always best, but IF I could convince her of that, when I do ‘jump’ is it easier to actually jump with minor sxs’s? Sorry, i’m so scatter brained today. Normally I’m fine, and have been taking the bull by it’s horns on this, but today has been rough.