90,000,000 benzo withdrawal symptoms

Most, if not all, of the Internet’s so-called benzodiazepine withdrawal support forums have super-long lists of possible benzodiazepine withdrawal symptoms. Many unfortunate cult members claim to have had, or currently have, ALL the symptoms. This is likely mass hysteria/mass psychogenic illness – common in cults.

The list below attempts to bring the various symptom lists together in one giant, supersized list. It does contain some duplicate symptoms. There are also a few symptoms that do not appear on the cult’s various lists, such as the infamous fear of butter, but the vast majority of the below symptoms are found on their sites.

The unfortunate cyberchondriacs found on these pro-Scientology “support” sites are a combination of drug addicts, the untreated mentally ill, dangerous lunatics, and lonely social misfits with nothing else to do. They’ve often been pressured by abusive site owners/admins/moderators/peers into stopping the very medications that have previously helped them lead normal lives. These sad people have been brainwashed into believing harmless prescription drugs are really an evil conspiracy involving Big Pharma, doctors, psychiatry and world governments. They’re not victims of Big Pharma, they’re victims of a cult.

Thank you Prof. Ashton. Bravo.

Abdominal pains and cramp
Aching brain
Aching jaw
Aching joints
Aching muscles
Acute hyper excited state
Aggressive behaviour
Agitated sight
Allergic reactions
Allergic reactions to foods previously tolerated
Allergy & nasal symptoms exacerbated
Anal itch
Anal prolapse
Appetite (either loss of, or voracious appetite with constant desire to eat)
Arms and legs feel detached from body
Ataxia (can’t coordinate muscle movement)
Back pain
Bad breath
Band around head
Benzo belly
Benzo flu
Benzo hands
Bladder incontinence
Bladder irritation – feeling of having an infection or cystitis
Bleeding between menstrual cycles
Bleeding from the nose
Blepharospasm (eye twitches)
Bloated stomach, distended abdomen
Bloated, diarrhea, constipation
Blood pressure fluctuations
Blurred vision
Blurred vision, seeing spots, flashes, vivid vision
Body feels like jelly
Body odour/stinking sweat
Body temperature fluctuations
Body temperature reading higher or lower than 98.6
Brachycardia (slow heartbeat/pulse)
Brain buzzing
Brain moving within the skull
Brain quivers
Breasts (heavy, over-sensitive, swollen enlarged, painful)
Breathing difficulties
Bruxism (teeth grinding)
Buildings appear to be leaning
Burning along the spine
Burning sensation around the mouth
Burning tongue
Butt twitches
Buzzing, burning, tingling limbs
Buzzing feet (ask Hope-Fiend)
Changes in perception (faces distorting and inanimate objects moving)
Changes in skin colour, tone, texture
Chemical sensitivities
Chest tightness
Chills (can feel like the heebie-jeebies you get when viewing a scary movie)
Choking spouse or relative
Cognitive impairment
Constant urge to defecate
Cracked and sore lips
cramping in stomach
Craving for sweets and sugary foods
Crying jags
Creaking knees
Cucumber smell
Cuts and abrasions take weeks to heal
Dark circles under the eyes
Decaying teeth and gums
Demented and murderous thoughts
Demonic possession
Dental pain
Depersonalisation (a feeling of not knowing who you are)
Difficulty in writing slowly
Difficulty swallowing
Difficulty writing or holding a fork, due to muscle weakness
Difficulty writing
Discharge from the breasts
Distended abdomen
Distortions or hallucinations
Dizziness – in general, or a feeling like you are falling off the couch/chair/bed
Double vision
Dry mouth
Dry throat, sore tongue, and thrush
Dry, itchy skin
Dry, tickly cough
Dyspepsia (indigestion)
Dysphagia (difficulty eating or swallowing)
Dysphoria (inability to feel pleasure or happiness)
Dyspnea (breathing difficulty)
Earache, and sinus problems,
Electric shock feelings
Electrified teeth
Emotional blunting (can’t receive or give)
Encopressia (faecal incontinence)
Esophageal spasms
Exercise (exacerbating all benzo symptoms)
Extreme cold
Extreme lethargy
Extreme thirst
Extremely disturbed
Extremely nervous and jumpy
Eyes (sore, tired, seeing floaters, spots, itchy)
Falling hair
Fatigue, leaden heaviness
Fear of being a burden or unlovable
Fear of being alone
Fear of butter
Fear of dying
Fear of food (cipophobia)
Fear of insanity
Fear of losing control
Fear of mayonnaise (see Colin)
Fear of MSG
Fear of never recovering
Fear of sane people
Fear of Tom Jones
Fear of water
Faeces appears abnormal looking
Feeling bloated
Feeling like the ground is moving beneath you, as if on a cruise ship or boat
Feeling of extreme cold
Feeling of impending doom
Feeling of vulnerability
Feelings of shaking inside and out
Feelings of shame, despite realizing this was all accidental and not your fault
Feelings of the spirit being out of synchronization with the body
Feelings of unrealityfeelings of worms under scalp
Female ejaculation or incontinence during orgasm
Fingernail problems – median nail dystrophy (line/ridge down the centre)
Fluctuations in blood pressure
Flu-like symptoms
Formication (sensations of bugs crawling on skin)
Fuzzy feeling in head
Gait disturbance – hard to walk straight
Glassy eyes
Goosebumps – very visible to the eye
Grinding teeth
HAJ phobia
Hair – loss, thinning, dullness
Hallucinations (auditory and visual)
Headaches – mild or severe
Head spins around like Linda Blair
Heart palpitations, pounding or racing heart
Heavy arms, legs and head
Heavy pounding heart
Holding onto the walls in the shower
Hot flashes
Hurts to wear clothes, a car seat-belt
Hyper sensitive (unable to watch the news, see films, read the newspaper),
Hyperacusis (profound hearing sensitivity, hurts to talk on the phone, music, etc.)
Hyperosmia (sensitive sense of smell)
Hyperreflexia (‘jumpiness’)
Hypersensitivity to being touched
Hypersensitivity to light, sound, and other stimuli
Hypersensitivity to stress
Hyperventilation (over breathing)
Hypnologic (hallucinations, sleepwalking)
Hysterical and inappropriate laughter
IBS (irritable bowel syndrome)
“I ate a McDonalds Filet-O-Fish sandwich and it sent me into a month long wave of Hell!”
Impacted bowels
Impairment of motor coordination
Inability to chew
Inability to comprehend the simplest things
Inability to concentrate
Inability to cope with a lot of information
Inability to draw a satisfying breath
Inability to make a decision
Inability to read or write
Incontinence, frequent or urgent need to urinate, unable to hold or pass urine
Increased saliva
Intense fuzzy feeling in the head
Intense jaw pain
Intrusive thoughts
Iris in eyes changes colour
Irrational rage
Jaw, tooth, neck and shoulder aches and pains
Jaws clamped together
Jerking when eating fast food
Jerks in arms, legs and/or fingers
Joint aches and pains
Jumping toe
Lack of concentration
Lack of coordination
Left/Right-sided symptoms
Legs arms and head very heavy
Leukonychia (whitening of nails)
Libidinal changes (variances in sex drive)
Loss of balance
Loss of concentration
Loss of confidence
Loss of control of movement
Loss of interest in people and/or things
Loss of judgement
Loss of memory
Loss of mind
Loss of sanity
Loss of self respect
Loss of taste or metallic taste
Loss or changes in appetite
Lung pain
Massive bowel movements
Memory problems (short term
Menstrual problems, painful periods, irregular periods, cessation of periods)
Mild hypertension
Mood swings
Morbid thoughts
Mouth and tongue soreness
Muscle spasms
Muscle tone, wastage
Muscle wastage
Muscle weakness
Muscles locking and rigidity
Muscular aches, pains, cramps, spasms
Muscular rigidity
Nausea, flu like symptoms
Nervous ticks or twitches
Neurological problems – topical nerve anaesthesia
Night apnea
Night sweats
Nose bleeds
Numbness around the face, mouth or any other part of the body
Numbness, pain
Obsessive behaviour
Oedema (especially face or ankles)
Orgasm changes, big setbacks after orgasms
Outbursts of rage or aggression
Over breathing
Painful rectum
Painful scalp
Painful zaps in the vag
Pains in neck and shoulders
Pains in temple
Pains in the chest
Pains in the lungs
Panic attacks
Paraesthesia (numbness, tingling)
Parasites in the colon
Passing gas continually
Penis and testicle sensitivity
Persistent, unpleasant memories
Perspiring, night sweats
Phobias (hydrophobia, agoraphobia, monophobia)
Pins and needles
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
Premature menopause
Premature wrinkling around the eyes and face
Problems of decaying teeth
Producing too much mucus
Projectile vomiting
Psychotic symptoms – usually transient and confined to rapid withdrawal,
Pupils of eyes become minute
Pushing away friends
Racing thoughts
Rajchel phobia
Rapid blinking of the eyes
Rapid changes in body temperature
Rapid mood changes
Rapid weight loss
Ray Nimmo mania
Rashes and blotches on skin
Rectal irritation
Recurring mild sore throat
Repetitive thoughts
Restless legs in bed at night
Saliva running from the mouth at night
Scalp pain and burning
Screwing up of the eyes
Seeing mike59 in dreams (nightmares)
Seeing spots before the eyes
Seizures (fits)
Sensation of brain moving within the skull
Sensitive or painful teeth
Severe cramping in the stomach
Severe flatulence/odor
Severe headaches
Severe muscle rigidity
Sexual problems – no sex drive or ultra high sex drive
Shaking (inside or out or both
Sharp throbbing pain in the wrists)
Shivering (feelings of extreme cold or hot)
Short-term memory impairment
Sinus pain
Skin problems (dry, itchy, rashes, slow healing, tickling, burning)
Smell problems (everything smells bad)
Smelling bad, but only to you
Sore and tired eyes
Sore mouth and tongue
Speech difficulties
Stomach cramps
Suicidal feelings
Swallowing difficulties
Sweaty feet
Swollen breasts
Teeth – pain, throbbing, sensitivity, feel like they are falling out, grinding
Tension between eyes
Thick blobby viscous snot
Thinking you are dying
Thinking you have some awful disease other than benzo withdrawal
Thrush-like symptoms
Thyroid disturbances
Tickling and itching
Tight band around the head
Tight band around the legs and ankles
Tightness in the chest
Tightness in the head
Tinnitus (buzzing or ringing in the ears)
Tiny pupils
Toe and finger nails change colour
Tongue (sore, burning)
Total loss of confidence
Toxic naps (feeling worse upon wakening)
Tremor or feeling of inner vibration
Twitching brains
Twitching followed by jerking
Twitching of the head
Unable to walk
Under-eye puffiness
Unusually sensitive (unable to watch the news on television or read the newspaper)
Urinary problems (continence or incontinence)
Urinating all night
Urinating all over oneself
Vaginal discharge, or extremely dry or wet vagina
Vaginal itch
Vibrating genitals
Visual disturbances (waves, sparks, flashes of light, seeing spots, floaters, blurry)
Voice quality changes
Walking side to side, like a drunken sailor
Weakness (“jelly legs”)
Weeping fits
Weight loss or gain (can be rapid)
Yellow coating on the tongue (which can yellow the teeth)

103 thoughts on “90,000,000 benzo withdrawal symptoms

  1. Constant clearing throat from mucus and nose a nose spray really helps at night and day hidious with out i hope it disappears on recovery am in 13 mth withdrawal i really had to stop abruptly after 8 year of bromazepam some time xanax

  2. Loss of womb due to weekly bleeding.
    developed haitus hernia
    Blood infection white cells platelets
    suspected blood clot in lung

  3. My side effects been quiet dangerous now in 13 Mth comin 14 still suffering seen so many specialist 8. .had damage to body i now have blood infection white cells platelets. feeling extreme tiredness i had the worse time since 2009 wen problems began then in 2012 my forced me to stop them cause my husahusband gave me them on top of english meds was a d wangerous combowell its 2013 shud b starting recover bit by bit some settled still itching i had virtually alot of serious side effects been in and out of hospital and rushed in too. I developed burning a
    nd painfull eyes last nite. if you name a sid
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  4. Yes i seen many doctors. My last specialist be blood doctor a bod disorder from the pills all being well i shud be normal by nxt year.i did cold turkey frm 16 t yar val seroxat i went aneroxia now and opposite that took 3year to complete i went totally bersk in hospital etc.i even paid to get murdered by a friend even got the stuff to do it i did drink a bigbottle of methodone still alive sent top skrthinking i was that swiss euthanisia0 around2003 was forec

  5. I was forced of my meds in 2002 by a friend i was so ill i paid him back i didnt plan it it just happened end up on trail for arson i only weighted 5 half stonepeople stay of benzos or cud prove fatal cos believe ne it ruins ur life til u recover do nt pop them say no or u regret it i didnt know my second bo was one becos they frm another country and xanax am typin on moblie so i cant get all my symtom

  6. fucking hell samantha, if you talk to your doctors like you type, there’s no wonder they can’t help you

  7. Samantha,

    Yes. Many do. It could be allergies, a cold or virus, from mold, from smoking cigarettes, or hell, even fatal Cystic Fibrosis. If the mucous is clear, you’re probably okay. If it’s yellow or green, it points to a bacterial or viral infection. If it’s chronic, see an MD, regardless of the color.

    I’m pro-med, but in this case, it’s wiser to go natural. I.e., drink water, blow your nose and cough A LOT. Honey and other natural “remedies” have been proven not to work, so stay away from that aisle. You can buy a “Netti Pot”, but you HAVE to buy sterile water or boil water. You also have to sterilize all parts. You can get parasites or even meningitis if you fail to do this. IMO, I’d chose a simple saline nose spray + a steam humidifier (or run a hot water shower while you sit in the bathroom with doors closed) + Vic’s menthol rub + get a sputum culture ran to see if the cause is bacterial, fungal, viral, or something else. I’d stay away from OTC meds until it’s cleared by an MD.

    You can take Mucinex, Sudafed or Benadryl to clear up the excess mucous, but you have to be really cautious. You have to watch out when buying OTC stuff. You probably don’t want “cough suppressants”, as the mucous needs to come out, and suppressants can interfere with getting the right diagnosis. Also, not everyone can handle each med. If you have high blood pressure, avoid Sudafed and get the high-BP friendly kind (Coricidin HBP). If you have untreated and severe thyroid or heart problems, it’s advised to avoid Benadryl. It’s also wise to avoid Cold/Flu mixtures with “everything” in them (antihistamines, Tylenol, cough suppressants and expectorants) until you see a doctor.

    As for Mucinex… They’re not sure how or even IF it works, but some people swear by it. Avoid anything with DXM in it, which Mucinex usually contains, especially if you’re on any anti-depressants (SSRI’s, SNRI’s, MAOI’s).

    One super easy thing to do is ask your MD for a sputum culture. They often don’t run them– I have no idea why. It’s not invasive– you just cough up deep phlegm, and that’s about it. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003723.htm

  8. Amano excuse me my doctor has done absoulety loads for me and still is she the best dr ever so stop wuizing ur nt a doctor i been on val for 16year so i know its hard to cope but u dont know nowt stop causin people stress ya i am amox antibiotic now so it eill go i bet u dont have severe withdrawals like i have i been rushed to hos many enuff was to kill me cud stilll

  9. I don’t get why you mock people who have experienced benzo withdrawal. I experienced SSRI withdrawal, it was real, I’m not nuts, I wasn’t imagining things, it was horrible. Even Drs. know this is a reality, especially for this kind of medication that has a very high potential of addiction.

  10. lol funny, and I don’t blame you. if I didn’t go through withdrawal, I would never believe its real. i’ll laugh harder though, when your son turns schizo. LOL

  11. Johnny, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you have much deeper problems than benzo WD.

    These symptoms listed are not posted to ridicule but to point out how an online cult can cause mass psychogenic illness in a group of vulnerable people. Yes, that level of crazy can be pretty funny, even to those suffering serious WD.

    You see not everyone is as vulnerable to silly suggestions. Some retain some common sense and thus realize that we can not blame doctors or drugs for every problem we have in life! LOL

  12. Used to work in a psych ward as a tech about 12 years ago. Benzo withdrawal can be pretty bad, usually it’s just mental, anxiety, insomnia but I’ve seen a couple seizures, probably people taking huge doses, it’s really not much different than DTs from booze except much milder. Docs would just give them Ativan every 2 hours but on a few occasions, people wouldn’t divulge they were on benzos and got really sick. It can be nasty but all those symptoms? Nah

  13. hahah im not sure if this is a joke article making fun of people in WDs or not, but let me tell you WDs are real. I have just been through a month from hell which I was not even aware was from my Xanax WDs because it was so extreme. Other than the normal problems sleeping, increased irritability and anxiety, I had very severe GI problems tapering only from 1mg to .25mg over 6 weeks. I was on 1mg at night for 3 year. I know I might be a rare case, but my digestive track basically stopped. They diagnosed me with moderate ideopathic gastroparesis and/or functional dyspepsia which is an awful debilitating disease to have where you can’t even eat really. I dropped 15 lbs in a month and couldn’t keep food down. I was the one that suggested it could be from Xanax because that it what I originally thought until symptoms got so bad I was in the ER and had about 10k in tests done on me. I am not back at my original dose and can eat a lot more although I still have mild dyspepsia. I guess I owe a big thank you to my PCP who denied me valium for my taper upon my request….f’in dick. Lets see what he has to say now that 2 GI doctors have confirmed Xanax as the cause and hope no nerve damage was done.

    Benzo withdrawal is no joke. Look it up and do it right. If you doctor does not agree, switch doctors.

  14. LMAO….this is too funny and tooooo true! I escaped that site just in time before my brain was permanently damaged!

  15. All too true… Ive been on and off benzos since I was 16, and now im 23. The wds are terrible, but I was also taking massive doses up to 10mg of xanax or kpins daily. Was also on methadone(2 1/2 years) for awhile and suboxone(2 years). My mom was a nurse and introduced me to oxycodone through stealing scripts from the dr she worked for, along with xanax and ativan which I had took recreationally but never daily. Not saying its her fault but it def. had an affect on me as a teenager and now into my early 20s.. absolute hell. Panic attacks all the time, legs and feet feel like they’re asleep all day… urinary release with no control… its absolutely horrible. Sometimes a .45 to the head sounds like a wonderful idea, but cant bring myself around to it. I think my brain and body have been damaged to a point of no return.

  16. Benzos are no joke, but it is possible to get off them with a reasonable tapering schedule. I have gone off 6 mg./day of klonopin in the course of a few months. For many people, like those with anxiety issues anyway (the target group, who are likely to become uber-anxious when dealing with withdrawals), docs shouldn’t be prescribing benzos in the first place.

  17. I totally agree about how the online benzo withdrawal groups can mislead someone who is tapering or has withdrawn from benzos into believing that EVERY little discomfort they have is related to the withdrawal. I was prescribed xanax back in 1997. Chief complaint: pain in left shoulder blade area. Other complaints: stiff joints upon rising, soreness, and low energy. I was immediately diagnosed with GAD after an xray revealed that my shoulder was fine. I was prescribed a ridiculous quantity (can’t remember exact number) of the 2 mg. tablets as a 90 day supply and required to see my doc every 3 months to renew the prescription. Prescribed dosage: take 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or 1 tablet 3 X per day. Can you believe that? I tried taking 1/4 of a tablet and found that it made me feel sleepy and tired which was the LAST thing I wanted since I already felt low in the energy department. And, it didn’t do a thing to stop the pain in my shoulder. So, that was that…or so I THOUGHT. I returned to see my GP a couple of weeks later INSISTING that there was something definitely wrong with my shoulder. He asked me if I was taking my “medicine”. I told him I tried it, didn’t help, made me sleepy and tired. He told me that it MIGHT make me tired at first and if it didn’t relieve the pain in my shoulder it was because I didn’t take enough. He asked me how he was supposed to help me if I wouldn’t follow his orders. Okay, he had been my GP for years and had always gotten me well when I was sick before. Long story short…over a 4.5 year period, he kept increasing my dose until I was up to 6 mgs. a day spread out over 3 doses. All hell broke loose. I couldn’t sleep more than a couple of hours per night, I felt like I was bouncing off the walls and still felt the same after taking a dose of xanax. I went back to the GP numerous times insisting that it was the medication that was doing this to me. At one point, he told me that I would need this medication the rest of my life and pointed out to me that my anxiety disorder had gotten so out of control that I even feared the medication that would help me! What an idiot I was! I had NO idea what I had been pumping into my system. I came home and started doing some research on xanax and thought OMG! I also ran across the dangers associated with stopping cold turkey and how it should be stopped under the supervision of a doctor and slowly weaned off of. I went back to my doc and pretty much DEMANDED that he tell me how to get off the stuff! He told me that he had done all he could do to help my anxiety disorder, was stopping the prescription for the xanax, and set me up an appointment with a psychologist who of course, was a counselor and couldn’t even prescribe meds! I saw her, told her my story and she was LIVID! She told me that I could not just stop and that he HAD to give me refills for me to use to taper. I asked her if there was ANY way I could get off the stuff more quickly and she told me that I could always go to detox and that’s what I did. I spent 6 days there in which the first 4 was spent being dosed with a longer acting benzo in which they reduced the dose each time until it was stopped at the end of the 4th day. They observed me for the last 2 days to make sure that I was going to be okay. I felt wonderful! I had nipped this thing in the bud, proven my doctor was an idiot, was calmer than I had felt in years, and had NO symptoms whatsoever when I was released around 8:00 pm. I got up the next morning a literally thought I was dying! I called the detox center and they assured me that everything I was experiencing had NOTHING to do with my withdrawal because benzo withdrawal symptoms only lasted 3 days! I ended up in the ER, was labeled a drug addict although I refused any meds they offered, and set up to see a psychiatrist the next morning. I felt a bit offended by that but decided to keep the appointment and am SO happy that I did. He explained to me that the half life of the long acting benzo I was given in detox had worn off and that I was very much experiencing withdrawal symptoms. He told me that I wouldn’t die but that I could expect to feel pretty rough for some time to come.

    I came home and immediately joined a benzo withdrawal group. I managed to feel functional and was able to return to work in 3 weeks. I had no problems sleeping and no panic attacks but I did experience ongoing anxiety but just lived with it and totally gave up coffee. Over the next 2 years, I was diagnosed with acid reflux, carpal tunnel, fibromyalgia, checked for blood clots in my legs twice due to extreme swelling in my calves, and migraine headaches. The benzo group convinced me that all of these conditions were due to ongoing withdrawal. Then, sweat started pouring off of me all night long! By this time I was convinced that I had permanent damage from the benzo withdrawal and FEARED going to a doc because I had started to believe that I was actually DYING. I lived with the sweats and lack of sleep for 6-7 months and finally saw a doc about them. I was tested for everything imaginable. Results: healthy as a horse but my estrogen level was non-detectable! I had a partial hysterectomy in 1995…2 years before being prescribed that xanax. My ovaries started shutting down after the partial which caused perimenopause symptoms…the very symptoms that my doc prescribed the xanax for to begin with! I went all the way through menopause into post menopause before I ever experienced night sweats. Have never had a daytime hot flash. I was totally amazed that when I was started on estrogen replacement that EVERY symptom I was experiencing and contributing to benzo withdrawal as well as the other conditions that I had been diagnosed with and prescribed meds for by multiple docs during that 2 year period completely ceased. I NEVER had an anxiety disorder to begin with! And, as far as benzo withdrawal symptoms. Yes, I believe they are real but unless someone has a true disorder in which they actually NEED the benzos to manage, I do not believe that withdrawal symptoms are as broad ranged or last 18-24 months or even the rest of a person’s life like the withdrawal groups claim. While support groups CAN be helpful, I believe that people need to look for underlying reasons if they feel that withdrawal symptoms have lasted longer than a couple of month and aren’t improving every day. There are SO many other conditions that mimic withdrawal in addition to female hormonal woes. Thyroid problems are another example. Sorry this was so long but I wanted to share my story for those experiencing withdrawal or considering it.

  18. When I was on BB, I remember a thread which asked about members ages. I noticed a preponderance of women aged 40-60, which is menapousal age. And as you mentioned menapousal symptoms mimic many of “benzo WD” symptoms people complain about, as do thyroid problems.

    I have read of symptoms that are so obviously those of common medical problems totally unrelated to benzo WD.

    For the record Tom Jones and Filet’s of Fish make me sick too, but for reasons unrelated to benzo WD.

    Finally, if one reads the Ashton Manual the list of potential symptoms is rather short and simple. I believe it was Bayliss Johns who turned the whole WD experience into an epic novel of a tragic heroine who suffered greatly, for years in every way possible yet overcame her plight and survived. This is BB’s second bible, the first obviously being Ashton. We will have to see if Matt Samet is granted sainthood.

  19. Honestly, the interesting thing about many of the symptoms of benzo w/d (while I do think much of it is people freaking out, which is also normal if you remove something that has artificially kept someone calmer than normal) deal with muscle tension. Why I find this interesting is that there really aren’t any doctors that specialize in muscles. None. Sports medicine doctors and surgeons handle them in terms of strains, and neurologists do when it’s a defined neurological disease. But this is also why for years people have said people with muscle problems (think fibromyalgia, MPS, etc.) were told it’s all in their heads. It’s actually not, it’s muscular and CNS related, as the nervous system regulates the tension in the soft tissues. Also, smooth muscle is just as susceptible to tension as any other, so if it hits the bowels, it’s considered a bowel issue. Bladder, bladder issue. Back, they look for something spinal. But few doctors (if any) actually work in this area, period. If there were doctors that specialized in musculoskeletal issues more, people in this state would get the same care as someone seeking medical help for any other organ.

    I’m just saying that this is why people likely seem as if they’re experiencing massive problems all over the body. Muscle tension can mimic just about everything. I have, btw, been in and out of hospitals since this began, and every time I get told that in addition to the medical issues not related at all to benzo w/d that pretty much every muscle in my body has stopped reacting normally and is causing a lot of other problems. It helps knowing it’s just muscles, but it doesn’t make it any less painful or dysfunctional. For people on BB who are just having minor musculoskeletal problems it really just seems like a cluster of weird symptoms in different parts of the body, most likely. But it does lead to major panic since the body’s muscles just normally do not feel that way at ALL. Remember, valium, klonopin and ativan (more than other benzos) are prescribed in many pain patients to relax soft tissue, they are powerful drugs for many of those conditions.

    Any thoughts on this? I’d post it at BB but I’d just get told “it’s w/d, stupid, go read your Ashton!” or worse, “you tapered too quickly, hahaha!”. Dammit.

  20. What a fascinating, useful post.

    Thank you for that. I really enjoyed reading it. This is a great example of a fantastic post when it comes to the discussion surrounding these types of things. You are just throwing something very logic based and interesting out there without making any claims against those that disagree. Just a great and likely accurate thought. I am really impressed with that.

  21. Thank you Paul, I am interested in all of this and found that no matter what I wrote at BB I would just get annoyed replies stating that it’s all just withdrawal, as if the symptoms of withdrawal had no physiological basis, when it obviously does. That leaves muscles, soft tissues, which are the very things that no one ever tests in medical settings. They really don’t. It takes having an EMG to assess nerve damage to muscles, but muscles will react normally to an EMG without nerve damage. That leaves biofeedback machines, from what I know, and you have to go to very specific neuromuscular doctors or PTs to even get that sort of test. Running to an ER or even primary doctor complaining of any neuromuscular symptoms doesn’t get anyone anywhere, whether they’re in benzo withdrawal or not.

    If you notice on BB, the people who post who persist in finding a medical diagnosis for their symptoms are generally given diagnoses (which seem to last only as long as the withdrawal reaction lasts) of fibromyalgia, MPS, CFS, etc. Or IBS or other “syndrome” diagnoses particular to certain organs. In other words, neuromuscular illnesses that anyone would have trouble getting diagnosis or treatment for because so few doctors specialize in these disorders. However, research into these disorders points to nervous system disruption/central sensitivity, which this particular reaction to benzos is extremely similar to.

    I just find it interesting.

  22. M-59, I was just at the doctor, and we were discussing myofascial pain issues, and he said that sometimes it is an injury that brings it on, sometimes just a lot of stress, there are many factors. The nervous system plays a large role. But my foray into having to treat muscle pain and my other issue (which is not caused by w/d at all) is teaching me quite a bit, and every last bit of it relates back to the things I see at BB and how many of these w/d issues are simply muscular tension that the body isn’t used to. I believe benzo w/d can bring this on, and certainly does initially (that is the warning with most benzos anyway, that cessation can bring muscle tension) but after a while you’re not still in w/d, you are having a different reaction. The thing is, left untreated it can get a LOT worse. And as you mention, there can also be underlying causes to it that definitely need medical attention! Furthermore, it doesn’t necessarily require medications to treat! It can otherwise become a self-perpetuating cycle.

    If I had not sought medical treatment, I would have ended up permanently disabled. Or at least disabled for years and years.

  23. hey mike where can i find the archives of all of the things on this site from over the years? i have nothing to do so i thought i would read through a bunch of it.

    i watched that latest video “im a bad girl” and saw some other youtube links with people all supposedly suffering tremendously from benzo withdrawal and post withdrawal and its put bad thoughts in my mind. i like not worrying about it and not making myself believe psychosomatically that there could be something wrong right now.

    that shit on the internet really does need to go. lots of people would be fine if it didnt exist. even me, knowing what i know of this stuff… it can make me second guess my mindstate because we dont have a reference point to compare it to. Reading this site is the only thing that snaps me back to reality if I ever start worrying about it unnecessarily as a result of those types of sites. Thanks man, for real.

    But yeah… are the archives down or am I just not finding them?

  24. yeah its just fucked up seeing a whole bunch of people in the comment section claiming to identify with how shes acting, lmao. “Yep – I remember that hang in there” WTF? lol.

    It’s gotta be the result of what you and I both have discussed about the power of a mass of people all in vulnerable states susceptible to the power of suggestion and sponging up hypochondria from each other.

  25. m 59 and jer16 you two are a bunch of fucking retards .i would love too stuff those pills down your fucking throat over a years time .and then take you off them ,to see how you react .these pilss are torcher i was going threw a lot of those syptoms way before i read anything on the internet .and if it was not for those support groups and people telling there stories ,a lot of people would have killed them selves by now .there is some thing wrong with you too dumb asses .you dont know what we are going threw .i took those fucking pills for 8 years .and went off cold turkey .and it has been hell.trust me if either one of you were in front of me i would slap the shit out of you .those pillss destroyed me i was a promising up and coming mma fighter before taking them they zomafied while i was on them and turned me into a lunatic when i got off them .you better watch what you say to the wrong person withdrawaling .because those morbid and intrusive thought could just make one of us nut cases snap on you .you little bitch asshole .dick heads have some compassion cock suckers

  26. i dont hate my doctor he has helped me threw this .i dont blame chewing gum .or eating food the blame for withdrawal .coffee does make me a little jettery .i blame people like you m59 .for your rambaling about some thing you have know clue what you are talking about the asshat that created benzos is a mad mother fucker with one thing one his mind .money . because if they pump there crap into peoples systems then the people will have to keep taking there poision ,so they dont go insane.or have complete torture through out there body .from pain .people like you m59 is why people .harm them selves .trust me i dont own a group .i dont care for dr ashton .this posion was created as a weapon back in the 50s .then they decided to cut the posion in half and put it into a bunch of fancy names clonazapam loraz diaz .klon .and a whole list of other names .this stuff is posion i know what ,the pharma companies worship $ all mighty dolla .$ and there is nothing wrong with want to line your pockets .but who do you worship m59 satan .do you torcher small animals at night and drink the blood of those small creatures .do you dance around a fire .in a dress giving praise to the devel .because anyone that is all for benzos .must have shares in there stock .dont know what the hell they are talking about .or is a sadist and they thrive on torture m59 do some reasearch talk to these people that are going threw this .better yet take some benzos for a year then stop cold turkey for an experiment i dare you then in a year from now when you are lying in bed because you just cant move because what that posion has done then you have the write to comment on the suffering that people are going threw because of those pills

  27. i have i dont blame the drs i dont blame my pharmacy ..i blame people like you .because just like your picture up there you think the world is made of pretty little ponies and bunnys will bud it is not. these pills are dangerous .not just the phyacal pain .but the mental torture is worse .close your eyes and imagine the worst thought or thing that could ever happen to you just a morbid horable thought and intense it buy 100% and know matter what you do say take .or who you talk to about it .that thought just will not stop and it is day and night .night and day over and over and that is what we go through.i dont have mental illness .and i know a crazy person would say that .that morbid thought is just a little tiny itsy bitsy .symptom of what you would go threw .then there is pain all over .and headaches so bad you feel like your eye balls will pop out .also uncontrollable shaking and electric zaps to you head every 5 seconds dude it is awful .i went too my dr and also0 shrinks .also my pharmacy they all agree i have to ride it out .my dr actually cried and said sorry he could only imagine what i was going threw .people are catching on drs shrinks and the pharmacy we live in the 2014 just press a button and get the knowledge you need.back in the 50s they would have locked me up.but now with the internet they know we all cant be crazy with the exact same symptoms and we were all on the exact same meds .i believe a lot of the mental illness today is caused buy peoples mothers poping them benzos in the 60s 70 mand 80s sorry for getting a little rilled up but man i hate when people .say oh its not pills doig this get over it .trust me if i could wake up tomorrow morning and say hum i am all better now trust me i would

  28. Ben, please consider heading to your local emergency room. It appears your are overdosing on the benzo buddies kool aid! When you ave been drug free for a few years, you will understand the harm caused by the BB cult is real and very dangerous.

    Best of luck with your recovery.

  29. Best of luck to you, Ben.

    We know that benzo withdrawal exists, no one is denying that. The point of this site is to make it as clear as possible the potential that benzo support sites have to harm people to a drastic degree more than they help.

    If it makes you feel any better, Ben, I was on 3 mgs of klonopin for almost 4 years and I tapered off in a couple of months and then completely quit… and it was nothing, NOTHING compared to opiate withdrawal. Not saying my subjective case should indicate how it will go for you or anyone else… But I AM saying that a lot of people like me are on those sites so stressed out about what they’re reading (and believing) that they are experiencing the hundreds of very real symptoms of stress/anxiety itself… If I were on one of those sites and believed everything I had read it would have destroyed my life, period. The point of this site is to take a stand against these sites… not to harm the people that have unfortunately become sucked into them or to insult anyone suffering while in BZ WD. Unless Mike wants to correct me as it’s his site and not mine.

  30. This White Knight guy is a benzo addict. He’s just mad that he can’t live without the stuff. Doesn’t have the strength or willpower to get off of them. Either that or a pharmaceutical rep. Lol. That being said, i do think some of the withdrawal symptoms people claim are most likely from something else. Benzo withdrawal is real and you will know it when you feel it. You shouldn’t have to look for any of the symptoms. They are obvious and fairly intense. I can only speak for myself when i say that i felt way better mentally and physically post klonopin addiction. Benzos are not a good option for long term use. Any doctor will tell you that. There is nothing more pathetic than a guy hooked on downers.

  31. LOL! Hi Azog, I am not mad at all and I have not use any mood altering drugs, including benzos for many years now, thanks. I am not a big pharma employee. You are clearly not a very observant person.

    So you are saying you were pretty pathetic, because you were once hooked on downers yourself? But now you are not pathetic because you are no longer “hooked”?

    Please tell us more about yourself as you seem to have many “answers” for us all.

  32. I was going to tell you, Azog, to simply go fuck yourself with a flaming pineapple backwards, but that would count as a threat to the pineapple. Hence, just imagine such… I hate to make harmful statements towards tropical fruit.

    Strength and willpower are beautiful things, bub, and you’re absolutely right on one point… you only CAN speak for yourself when it comes to just about any topic. Everybody’s different…. I’m sorry that life isn’t full of clones of you, because George Lucas could have a field day making a movie about that. Everyone here always says that withdrawals are a thing… read before commenting, dude. Some people do just fine on benzos long-term, even though I do agree with you and doctors that it is not a recommended thing, but think of the alternative… oh wait… you can’t. You’re not everybody else… you’re not a person whose anxiety and such literally cripple them without assistance from a drug. Good for you, but as you call others pathetic for being on something that you apparently don’t require DOES NOT mean that there is one answer for all problems, and yours being the correct one. Think analytically, man….

    That said, I’m glad you’re doing fine. Some aren’t. Others are micro-tapering, which is fucking ridiculous. Prolonging pain… that’s a ball, really. That’s one thing I learned when I was a chat mod on one of the sites that went down… everyone’s different. There is no one specific rule to whether benzos are helpful or not… it is an individual thing. I’m sure that since my friend uses blood pressure medication to keep from dying, and it helps him immensely, YOU, Azog, should certainly take it! Why wouldn’t ya? It helped my pal!!!! What are ya, stupid?! It doesn’t MATTER if you have heart problems or not… JUST TAKE IT!!!!!! Or Micro-taper off of it because some nuts on the web said this was the thing to do because it didn’t work for them.

    Get my drift, AZ? 🙂

  33. If indeed the cult is forming (whatever that is), I guess let it.
    I’m going through one, and this is a no joke.
    Majority of docs does not know about what they are prescribing.
    You need all the support and information you could possibly get, and no better place than people who goes through similar.
    I know some symptoms maybe not relating to it at all and some symptoms are secondary.
    I once heard someone complaining loosing hair and going gray.
    I thought to myself, well that’s just a part of aging., but didn’t speak it out.
    Good thing that I did not speak out, because you see, stress of going through this will surely make your hair fall out and go gray for some people. When people are down, comforting them is the right thing to do.

  34. To the man who claims to have gone through bz wd and opiate withdrawal, stating opiate withdrawal was “ten times worse,” I call bullshit. Not only because I’ve been through both (still in bz wd, though at a functional level), but because I’m an addiction psychiatrist and have seen those in all types of withdrawals. None are more dangerous, painful, and lasting as bz withdrawal (and alcohol). Even the heroin addict will declare heroin wd was a walk in the park next to bz wd. Personally— never abused a benzo… Always took a small dose. Jumped off the horse via a 5 week taper w anti seizure med to assist, and I can tell you for a good 8 weeks I felt half the symptoms above. It’s painful. It’s debilitating. It takes ones self-esteem, abilities, brainpower, life itself, and reduces it to a worthless heap that can’t move from the bed or couch. This site, though humorous, does appear to almost reduce the pain of bz wd… A pain that takes 9,000,000 forms depending on the person, their neurochemistry, etc. Not a soul on this site can state with absolution that SOMEONE out there hasn’t experienced nearly every listed “humorous” s/x listed above. Shame on those that minimize, ridicule, or poke at those who have suffered at the hands of a medicine they failed to research thoroughly, but simply took out of blind faith in their PCP. And back to the point of my post— the poster that claimed opiate wd was so bad… No offense, but I think the bz wd must have damaged your memory— that or you’re still stuck in a state of delusion. Nobody has seizures, delirium, brain damage, long term debilitation, and so on and so on, from opiate abuse. Dumbass.

  35. As a guy who had to counsel many, many people through BZ withdrawal during my brief tenure as a moderator at a site similar to BB, I cannot say that you are wrong. What I can say is that people will feed off each other. I’ve been through withdrawals from both alcohol AND benzos at separate times in my life, and I do agree that these are dangerous times for people… I survived them, but for one short stint, I’ve never been on anything other than benzodiazapines. Many people diagnosed with certain mental illnesses are on a cocktail of antipsychotics, anti-depressants, etc. You, as a psychiatrist, already know this. You’ve probably prescribed them to people, trying to help them. Many times, I’m sure you did.

    The problem comes in when EVERYTHING becomes a symptom. The mind is already in a fragile state as it is during that process… why wonder if toe-jam is a symptom? (No, I doubt anyone has said that anywhere, but it wouldn’t surprise me… people in a shady mental state will think just about anything). Online forums have a certain hubris that comes from those who have successfully survived their particular experience and think that there is a “one size fits all” solution, and there really isn’t. We’re all different. I was heralded as some sort of hero for going cold turkey, but I was not… I just knew what was coming and accepted it. My brain went wonky for a bit, and then it ended. Even during withdrawals when my brain was out of the loop, I chuckled at the thought of “benzo belly”. One guy I talked to had it, and blamed the withdrawals… turns out he had an unrelated problem in his gastro-intestinal tract, verified by a doctor. Go figure.

    Hence, 90,000,000,000 or whatever symptoms and joking about it. You’re not wrong, but you also aren’t considering all the elements in the equation, which differs from person to person. That’s a mistake I once made. Let’s stop doing that, eh? You’re more educated than I in this field… do the math. I think you’ll see that while what I say is rather harsh sometimes, it’s factual.

  36. I read this series of comments to my wife, who is disabled and diagnosed with clinical depression, anxiety issues, arthritis, fibromyalgia, missing discs in her back, and is a cancer survivor from when she was a teenager, who has to take opiates most of the time just to function, and she asked me to kindly tell you, Dan, in her words “I’ve gone through withdrawals from morphine and dilauded (sp?) and begged my husband to shoot me in the head when my insurance was canceled because of the pain. I don’t wish to discredit what you do, as I’m thankful for the help my doctors have given me. I’m just glad you’re not MY doctor.”

    As for me, I’ve helped several people through opiate withdrawal, and it ain’t pretty, pal. It wasn’t until my wife saw that last sentence of yours and pointed it out to me that I realized that you really don’t know what you’re talking about, or perhaps just haven’t been at ground zero when someone’s coming off an opiate cold turkey. Other than my wife, I’ve seen it a lot and helped with it… I come from a bad neighborhood. This shit was common. Lots of puke, lots of suicidal thoughts, screams for fucking days… I had to have friends help me hold people down and hold back their hair while they spewed vomiit and screamed at us wishing us and themselves death… I’m not going to say it’s worse than benzo withdrawal, but from the viewpoint of a casual observer, it sure as hell seems like it… and I was the guy who had to hold their hair back. You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Speak when you know about a thing. Seizures? No. Brain damage? Unsure, but neither thing really causes that. However, from experience I will tell you sir, good Doctor… I’d rather go through 10 times the withdrawals I dealt with from benzos than even once from an opiate. Results may vary, of course, but I have a funny feeling I’ve seen a lot more of it than you. My wife is too polite to say this, but I will… you’re a fucking idiot. Learn something, Doc. Right now, after re-reading your little missive, I doubt you know much of shit.

  37. Last thing I’ll write on this subject… I kinda got miffed off a tad about the opiate thing, because once my wife reminded me of her experiences and what I had to do to keep her safe (and she reminded me of all the crap I had to deal with concerning other people in the past… it’s not something I like to remember), it kind of enraged me. You did mention that you’d been through it yourself. Fair enough. I retract calling you a “fucking idiot”. I still think you are biased, though… and as a psychiatrist, you should probably recognize this trait and work it through. Physician, heal thyself.

    Everything else I wrote stands. I’m curious to hear your response.

  38. Yeah I don’t think it’s fair to speculate what is harder for some people. I will say they are both completely different demons. I’ve never been in so much physical pain as I was getting off Suboxone cold turkey. It’s was two weeks of hell. I couldn’t sleep or eat. I had to go to the ER just to get hydration. I was vomiting so much. I have only had one night of no sleep from Xanax withdrawal. And one day of puking. I did go to the ER before I ran out of it to get something to taper off it. I can say this has been more like a shitty acid trip than a painful excruciating detox, but I would probably do the opiate detox again rather than the benzo detox just because i would prefer to know how long I was going to feel shitty.

  39. Wharf Rat;

    Thanks man. For real.

    I just read both “Dan”s comment followed by the comments proceeding… yours included (obviously) and throughout the ~15 second time period in which my eyes had met the concluding sentence of Dan’s post in its’ entirety but awaited the relief associated with reading yours I was slightly upset.

    I wasn’t personally offended. I’m just horrified at the state of “addiction specialists” or basically MOST “medical professionals” (or rather, the self proclaimed internet pseudo models) in our society.

    The following is a link to a screencap I took from a chat with an “addictions specialist” that a random website I was reading for educational purposes (I love learning about this stuff) decided to offer me a chance at.


    The situation is something that someone I know spent over a year conquering at home.

    Note this addiction specialist claims “Opiate addiction is not mental, Mark”. Throwing in what he thought my name was condescendingly (seemingly at least) as if my even suggesting that I had a mental addiction to opiates was so far off base in contrast to what they teach you throughout the educational prerequisites that precede certification for “specializing in addiction(s)” that it warranted an insulting response.

    Nowhere near to the likes of “Dan” up above. My post wasn’t intended to condescend to anyone whose subjective experience was unlike mine. The subtext in my initial post if visible would have read something like “In my personal experience, considering that I felt that benzos were laughable to get off of in comparison to opiates (hundreds of personally subjective variables potentially and obviously surrounding both the benzo situation in my case as well as the opiate situation in my (personal) case… not included but expected to be considered by any specialists in addiction or doctors ready to offer their advice on the topic… as these things aren’t objectively black and white for every unique human being)… perhaps SOME people don’t live through the nightmarish scenarios that a lot of these sites would have you believe… like say… when they tell random members who have simply joined or imply to them or ASSUME to them that they… because they joined and posted on such a site… are going to be part of the small percentage or WHATEVER PERCENTAGE (key word percentage not entirety) in which quitting benzos is going to be HELL ON EARTH to the point in which any real depression alongside the WD is not to be taken seriously… any other medical advice from doctors is not to be taken seriously… you are on this site and therefore you feel the same nightmarish way that I do… no exceptions. Don’t go to the doctor when you’ve already tied a noose it’s just WD I KNOW this because I have an internet connection.

    ahh i’m rambling but within the rambles exists a strong point. sorry for the presentation. our education system is flawed isn’t it “Dan”? You know you shouldn’t be giving advice to people. You need to be able to consider the possibility of an error ratio in the claims you present as “facts” to people… because if you’re wrong (you are) in front of the potential people that your claim won’t apply to… even if it applies to some… you will look like a completely useless idiot… an embarrassment to those working in the medical field… an embarrassment to clever liars.. (at least one or the other) and with your condescension included… a fucking asshole. Eat my fuck “Dan”.

  40. Funny people. I’ll make sure to comment when I’m not stuck working… At a psych clinic… Helping people absolutely DYING from opiate withdrawal.

  41. Dan, if you’re actually helping people and are speaking the truth about your job, then that is admirable. We differ on the belief in intensity of withdrawals, but face facts: it’s different for everyone. If you make a blanket statement to people who’ve got experience in the topic at hand, it’s gonna get set on fire as you’ve seen… because blanket statements assume that there is a “one size fits all” scenario that applies to everyone are rather dumb. You know your own experiences, just as we all do. As a doctor, that bias has to go out the window. I’ve seen people do recreational OxyContin’s and whatnot for months, and not suffer at all when they stop. The others… well, I mentioned those.

    What I find rather intriguing is that you diminish Opiate withdrawal, yet just claimed to be helping people who are “DYING” from it. Hmm… I guess your opinion changed? Maybe it COULD be life threatening? Some doctor or other told me that… in this very thread. It’s interesting when one cross-references statements and sees differing opinions by the same party, contradicting the others. Suddenly, the smell of a cow pasture permeates the air. Who wants a cheeseburger?

    Either way, this is good. You’re learning. Keep it up, and I might just believe you.

    Here endeth the lesson. Pity that this particular lesson comes from a guy whose only doctorate is in the art of “Bar Fu”. 🙂

  42. If you try anything more I will come and find you and kick your ass. And you won’t get to fuck Kristina any more.

  43. fuck off rat boy
    your opinions mean nothing
    hope you and your boyfriend m59 die soon.
    you internet stalkers should be in jail
    for harassing sick people
    Another buddy from BB told me about this vile website

  44. LOL WR hater! How would you feel if friends, family, and coworkers knew you posted these thoughts here? You understand this makes you look like some kind of crazed monster- right?
    Please go back to your cult of fear and hatred and bathe in it all. Really soak it in, it seems to be doing you a lot of good!

  45. stfu white knight
    you have a big mouth but you say very little
    and what you post on m59’s hate blog is nonsense
    rat boy could not kick his benzo addiction so he decided to remain a benzo addict
    benzo hell will catch up to him one day
    then he will be praying for mercy
    and begging colin to join BB again lolz
    this is one vile hate site

  46. I really hope that if anyone who is taking benzos has a problem, they do not look to join benzo buddies, but instead seek help from an actual doctor.
    How is this a hate site? That it try’s to prevent another benzo buddies suicide?
    I am sorry , but it is you warf rat hater that is espousing hate here. You will find a more receptive audience for your hate filled thoughts over at benzo buddies.
    Collin loves your way off thinking! lol!

  47. stfu white kight
    you are like so fucking stupid
    BB saves lives
    not destroy them like m59’s hate site
    i bet you are still a benzo addict yourself like wharf rat
    you fuckin loser!
    I beat benzos and I am feeling great thanks to BB’s
    suck on that asswipe..

  48. I don’t know any of these people and just from browsing this site I know that WharfRat Hater is “Anonymous” = “Snoppy” (lol) = Some guy named… Donnie? I dunno. This has got to be a joke lmfao.

    Hey Snoppy, go find Charlie Brpwn and lick some peanut butter. 😛

  49. *Sniff* …. I’m honored. Really. I finally have an official hater! Now if only I had one who passed their writing classes in college and didn’t type like some sort of lunatic street preacher/Rain Man with a really large sign hanging on his chest saying:

    ERRR… NY?

    Copyright ©2014 Benzo Buddies Loons, Inc.
    All rights reserved. All rights refused for fear of rational thinking and other such productive enterprises.
    Hail Xenu.

  50. WRHater,
    You are hilarious dude! Keep up with the insightful posts.

    On a more serious note, given the severe hatred you are spouting here, I am not sure exactly how well you are doing with the “benzo buddies cure”. May I suggest a long and honest look in the mirror? Please consider the possibility that your psychiatrist may have had good reasons for prescribing benzos for you.

    Good luck

    PS I have not used any drugs or alcohol for many years, thanks

  51. Hi Glyn

    I am glad you are rethinking the threats to kill or violently assault others. What has prompted the change? Are you currently facing criminal charges?

    Good luck

  52. the thing that sucks is i trusted the doctors, and somehow fell thru the cracks & just didn’t so enough research on benzos…
    so know i have to get off of them & it’s seriously a bad fucking withdrawal…
    i tried once before with too little support & fuck it’s bad… like what i’ve seen people in heroin withdrawal bad…
    funny thing is with the illegal drugs, i always knew wtf to stay away from… if one doctor had said to me this shit is as bad as heroin i never would have taken it & it sucks looking back like that…
    it’s IRONIC to find myself addicted like this…
    IRL support is better than random web support…
    whether or not Ashton’s method is good or not i don’t know…
    what i do know is the lack of benzo withdrawal rehab programs in the USA is a fucking farce…
    all these researchers keep talking about the need for them but no one seems to be building them…
    and not all us usual people can afford some rock star rehab somewhere…
    you got any legit resources?

  53. What kinda’ jerk-off put this site together? It has to be someone who couldn’t hack kicking the benzo’s…pussy.

  54. Benzo Buddies fucked me up bad. There are well intentioned people on there, who think they know EVERYTHING. When your mind is in a fragile place, like benzo wd, you take suggestions very seriously. I think benzo wd needs to be more well known in the medical community; however, benzo buddies is not the place to be when your judgement isn’t up to par. You can slip up very easily.

  55. I think you guys are another “cult” solely dedicated to bashing Benzo Buddies, but I also think everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

  56. How could this be a cult? The basic premise of the site is in line with 99.9% of the legitimate medical community. No one is censoring any conflicting opinions or banning any person from speaking their mind, as the cult benzo buddies does. Please take some time to study what a cult is, then we could have an intelligent conversation about this subject.

    If you do not believe me, try being honest at Benzo Buddies. Post your actual thoughts about the dangerous and insane posts you see each day there. Tell someone that butter is harmless, that smoked turkey can not cause 3rd degree burns, that a can of diet coke can not actually hurt anyone, you will be attacked and then banned very quickly. Go against cult dogma or it’s insecure control freak leader, and see how long you last. You must fearfully walk on egg shells and parrot back the cult speak or be banned! BTW, being banned would be the best thing that could happen to you, it might just save your life.

  57. Nah, Allison, we’re more of an autonomous collective, not a “cult”. Or, for the non-Monty Python fans in the audience, we’re just a bunch of people who’ve been where you’re at, and wish you well, though it might not seem like it at times. Sometimes by mocking the ludicrous nature of posts that appear, other times by just straight out telling the truth… the methods differ. In the end, in about 5 years, you’ll possibly look back at posts you’ve made on BB or similar sites, along with the “advice” you were given and say “What the fuck was I thinking?!”

    It will come in time. Some sooner than others. Basically, we just don’t like people dying because some idiot on the internet told them to ignore their doctor’s advice and they, being kind of out of their gourds, listened. That’s my goal, anyway. I was a part of it at one point, so I feel guilt, hence my participation here. This site is not so much “anti-BB” as it is “anti-listening to morons who are in no better condition than you who have no medical training”… or something like that. That would be a long tagline, so “Target: Benzo Buddies” pretty much states it in a clearer fashion. I can’t speak for the Boss of this joint, but I think that summarizes things fairly clearly.

    You’ll get there. It happens to us all. This isn’t a site meant to give advice to people, other than common sense ideas, like “Talk to your doctor.” You know, silly things like that. Once the curtain is pulled open and what lays behind is revealed, you’ll feel like a fool, just as we all did at one point or another. In the mean-time, enjoy the joke and thanks for participating. 🙂

  58. I’m in benzo withdrawal and the jumping toe made me laugh my ass off. I needed that. I thought I was doing ok until once the taper ended and I now have these horrible aches. Kill me now. Doctor prescribed phenobarbital for two weeks but it’s not really helping. I think just riding it out is the only way. This is my third taper and by far the worst but it will be the last.

  59. England… Something in the water?
    « on: October 26, 2016, 01:08:17 am »


    I am an American. I was born in England and lived there for 7 years, on and off. I have a special place in my heart for the UK and pay attention when I notice that someone here is from there. What I find peculiar is the huge number of people on bb from the UK! There are about 5 times as many people in the US than in the UK, but it seems like 1/2 the people here talk in British slang or discuss being from England, etc.

    Why do I bring this up? I’m just curious to know if there is something in the water over there or if people from British decent have something in their genetic makeup that makes them prone to this. Something comes to mind: There is a member here who is now healed (galea) and […] took a liver enzyme test during wd. […] found out that most of her liver enzymes cannot process most drugs. Is that possibly a common trait with British people? Btw, galea is NOT from England- though […] may be of British decent?? […] is actually from Montana like me :).

    Anyway, just a thought. Seems we should all have a genetic test to see what we all have in common. That way, people like us will know to avoid ever taking a damn benzo!

    Just go right ahead and add “being british” to the list.


  60. Remember folks. You’re never out of the woods, you can never drink a beer again, you can have a seizure at any time, feeling better Is a sign that you’re actually in more danger than ever before, it could take 9 years to be out of your system and one of these people scaring you to death are addicts or mentally ill at all.

  61. My Typos are awful but you get the point. The benzo or anxiety forums are terror feeding more terror. You’ll notice the more you stay away the more your condition improves. My doctor tapered me off in under a month and i’m alive. Do I have issues? sure…but that’s because I had them to begin with …..long before I knew what a benzo was.

  62. “You’ll notice the more you stay away the more your condition improves”

    ^^^ Couldn’t agree more. And, sadly, I know people that still post there that are not on benzos anymore but still addicted to the culture of misery and blaming their broken lives on others.

    It is heartbreaking to see people swallowed up by addiction to negativity, and benzobuddies certainly feeds that… like a drug pusher!

  63. I just watched several videos on people going through “SSRI withdrawal”. The uploaders and commenters stories are EXACTLY the same as the benzo people. And it comes with the same malingering anti-doctor shit you see on the benzo videos. For Christ sakes these people will not be honest with themselves. You have mental disorders and need treatment. They go to a doctor because they have mental struggles, get put on drugs to ease the issues, it works until they get off of it and they get mad at the doctor. If I quit taking my Nexium my ulcer would kill me so guess what? I do what my doctor says and take the pills. Benzos can be dangerous we know this but SSRI’s are supposed to be the long term treatment right? I’ve never taken them but now they give you withdrawals for 2 or 3 years too? haha. It just so happens that drugs that treat paranoid and anxious people are the only ones that you can never recover from? Bullshit. I’m not trying to be mean but I’m atleast honest about my condition. Anxiety and Depression are hard to treat and some people never get healed and they blame the drugs. Dude you got dealt a bad hand and I feel sorry for you but it’s not the meds. Its you. I know because I struggle myself. You can still live a fairly normal life and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

  64. Fibromyalgia, Lyme, benzo withdrawl, pvc’s , adrenal fatigue…it’s all in the anxiety and depression spectrum. It’s the same type of people buying in. They all believe they are afflicted by something that most doctors don’t understand and yet when they find one that is “wise” to their condition they still don’t get any better. Looking for physical cure for mental issues is a path to nowhere. Acceptance is the only way to improvement and they just don’t want to accept they have mental issues.

  65. Ageed. Even orange juice can cause them to become “revved up” now….

    Re: Orange juice revving me up
    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 09:30:57 pm »


    Becky, you might try eating oranges instead and see how that goes. I have had a bad effect from taking Vitamin C lozenges. I gave up. I haven’t tried orange juice. It may be the natural sugar in concentrate that’s doing it. With the lozenges, I don’t know if it’s the blood pressure pills I’m taking on top of everything, but my blood pressure went way up. I can eat oranges with no problem, though. Sometimes I think the CNS in healing mode from benzos doesn’t like concentrated in ANY form. It’s too much for the CNS to take.

    Kristina is also suffering from “herxing” because of the moon.

    They’re literally batshit crazy!

  66. I’m having a lot of those symptoms but I cant make the doctor believe methr more I complain the less they listen I have seizures u want to get off this klonipin abd try something else for seizures the quacks don’t tell you what this shit does to you they don’t give a damn if you suffer or even die I tell my mother whats going on but she will not listen to me also big pharma ought to rot in hell for this poison they give people heather ashton ts right.

  67. Doctors generally hear a hypochondriac when someone starts complaining like you do, ken.

    If your doctor is ignoring you then get another doctor like normal people do. This isn’t rocket science, champ.

  68. 2 more people I knew growing up died from Heroin use. Again I find it strange that benzo’s being “100x worse than opiates” hasn’t killed anyone in my white trash county but opiates may as well be natural causes. Maybe my county is just lucky that no one is dying from these benzos that are so dangerous.

  69. It is clearly obvious that ‘Mike’ is a rude, offensive ignoramus who not only has no real idea what he is talking about, but likes to abuse people for his hobby. I have no mental illness problems, and was put on chlonazepam
    because of a miss-wiring in my central ganglion causing eyelid spasms. I have post graduate university qualifications and hold down a good position. I am a husband, father, have financial success and no hypercondria.
    I also have withdrawal symptoms – to a level that I would not have believed had I not been there.
    Mike, get a life. You are a sad piece of humanity, and I wish you the same reality as some of your poor people are experiencing. My advice would be to quit this page. It’s sicker than any of us have been! Peter

  70. Hi Pete,

    Are your post-grad qualifications in how to contradict yourself in the space of two paragraphs and be yet another troll that can’t do anything more than come here and make spurious appeals-to-emotion fallacies, like literally every other benzobuddy before you?

    Ps, what’s “hypercondria”? Is that similar to hypochondria? That Uni education certainly didn’t help with your grammar, spelling or critical-thinking skills, did it?

    Sorry pal, but your credibility was already washed away long before you came here to regurgitate the same rhetoric the Cult has fed you about C.O.M., and trust me when I say I’ve been analysing that BB brainwashing for several years now.

    Do you have any actual points to make, or is just ‘feels over facts’ for you?

  71. These comments made me laugh. I have admittedly joined a benzo withdrawal support group recently. I was on 1mg Klonopin daily for six years and did a quick wean off. It has been a little over a month since my last dose. I’m not down with the doctor dissing or the hypochondria… or the “you can never drink again, supplements are bad; have you tried opening your third eye and chakras with a healing meditation?” BS. At all. However, I can say that the withdrawal has been a real pain. I thought these people were nuts too before I started the wean. I get better every day though. 🙂 It’ll pass.

  72. Benzo withdrawal is a real thing, no denying that, and they are addictive and some withdrawals are pretty uncomfortable.

    But they don’t make people allergic to organic food, the moon, cause benzo belly or protract for several years.

    Those are mostly just mentally ill people that are hypochondriacs and/or promoting fake news on behalf CCHR. ✌️

  73. Total lie Jake! You don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Many long time users do suffer protracted withdrawals you idiot.

  74. No, “Patricia” (I know who you are now), nobody ever has years of protracted withdrawal from benzos, and certainly not from 4 weeks of use (as are some of the ridiculous assertions that are promoted by benzobuddies and other scare groups), and its usually individuals that later change their story and blame a spurious autoimmune disease after they’ve milked the benzosickness story for as much as they could.

    Ps, are you going to answer my other 2 posts in the other thead or just keep trying to hurt my poor feelings?

  75. You are a joke. I have been diagnosed by 2 specialists with benzo proacted withdrawal syndrome by 2 top scientists in Canada. 4 years off and still disable, been c/t numerous times..I am suing my doctor, we are avojt settle..so, okease shut your disgusting dirty mouth..

  76. So you claim, but we have no way of verifying that assertion, or that you’re not just a paid shill from Scientology .

    What we DO know is that several benzobuddies have made such claims only to later retract them when a different specialist makes a new diagnosis.

    Usually it’s some kind of autoimmune disease, but sometimes it’s things like moonlight or yoga that causes all those benzo-diagnosed symptoms.

  77. I was just going to type a reasonable response to your site. I just realised that you thrive on any attention, good or bad. That is why you are so Trumpesque here.

  78. Calling something or someone Trumpesque is a very nasty and mean spirited insult! I am serious.

  79. I have a friend who went on and on about her benzo withdrawals. I talked horribly about her behind her back for the last year. I’d been on them for ten years. Every couple months I’d stop taking them for about a week. I experienced increased anxiety and insomnia which I attributed to my underlying conditions I took it for. I never had any shakes, cravings, or anything else to suggest I had a dependency issue.

    I am now 40. I thought it best to stop taking the medications due to recent campaigns raising awareness about the link between benzo use and dementia. I did not consult a professional for help. I simply cut my dose in half for 2 weeks and then stopped. The last several months I have been horribly ill suffering from strange things ranging from bladder issues to shortness of breath. (I honestly thought I was having serious kidney issues.) I never told my doctors I stopped taking the clonazepam and temazepam daily as prescribed as I thought I’d be fine with the taper I performed. In the last 3 months I have had 12k in tests. Scopes, scans, and bloodwork for everything from cbc’s to thyroid function and hormonal levels all came back normal. It was only after I had a severe panic episode and took another clonopin did I realize there may be a connection. Three days after taking that pill my dry heaving I’d been experiencing turned into violent vomiting. I played with the benzos to see what went away and what didn’t. I have no doubt that most of those complaints listed above are total bullshit. That said, here I am, someone who thought this was all fake, suffering in ways that I don’t see an end to. I sought out medical help. I was essentially told I was a junky and to go seek pills elsewhere. I don’t want pills. I have 412 1mg clonopin and 112 30mg temazepam in my medicine cabinet. I just wanted help with the dry heaves and bladder issues. But hey, if you have a pill problem you must have abused your meds so you deserve the withdrawals I’ve been told. So fuck me I guess.

  80. Benzo withdrawal is a real thing, just like any other drug withdrawal.

    What isn’t real are the demonstrably false claims & conspiracy theories from most benzobuddies members who aren’t even talking about benzo withdrawal most of the time.

  81. List of symptoms from Lyme Disease, MS, B12 deficiency, etc. that were previously being treated by a benzodiazepine.

  82. As a PhD in biopsychology, I recommend this site – Cesspool of Madness – it is made up of people of good will, who are trying to educate the public, and the mental health community, of the safety of benzodiazepine use. I can personally attest to the safety of benzodiazepine use. I respectfully ask you to post my comment – not enough has been said about this glorious site.

  83. IF Dr. Doliniski is for real , then I suggest he take as much klonopin as some of us have been mis-prescribed and go through the taper and the withdrawal himself .
    This is no joke . I was mis prescribed this crap years ago for pain /biliary issues related to gall bladder surgery complications . If I had any clue what kind of poison this was I wouldn’t have been in the same room with it . When I understood what had happened the 5 years taper and now 5 months out has been a living hell .
    I am in horrible shape and wheelchair bound , 40 lbs lighter ( 104@5.7) and I may not have ever had psychiatric issues before but I am sure I do now . This exp has got to be the most traumatizing thing I have ever been through . Including the deaths of my husband and parents and a car wreck where I was thrown through the windshield . That was a piece of cake compared to this synthetic nitemare. While I agree that “a dark and rainy day five years later sent me into a wave ” as seen on BB’s is a total stretch , do not underestimate the total wreckage this can and will do to you when you come off of this class of meds. It will change your life .
    I think all Dr.’s who feel like prescribing this should go through it actually , it might cut down on the number of new scripts and may see an increase in the med profession willing to help people taper .
    In no way is this drug safe at all. This substance should not be given to any living being .

  84. Thank you white knight…I have not even began my taper off of klonopin. I have been reading Benzos buddies and I am too scared now!!! I feel like I will end up in the psych ward and then they say your brain doesn’t heal and it may never heal so I’m even more scared to stop them in case I have brain damage that is being masked by my klonopin. After going on this site and fb groups I have quit my job developed tolerance and just lost it and I’m not even off the meds!!!

  85. If you don’t think benzo withdrawal is real you really need to get off the f-ing site and go on youtube or other sites and get the real scoop on this poison. It will ruin your life. It did mine.

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