ABOUT

This site is dedicated to exposing those who masquerade as drug withdrawal support groups, but in reality are dangerous pro-Scientology, anti-doctor, anti-psychiatry, anti-Western medicine cults.

The following is a from a member of one such ‘support group’ – Benzo Buddies – read it, and understand the danger:

Benzo Buddies is in fact a dangerous place especially for the vulnerable. It is not a support group at all if anything it is a place where people go to commit mental suicide and sometimes actual suicide. I should know I was one of those people. A little bit of backstory: I have been on 3mg alprazolam for over 10 years that is 1mg 3 times a day and I have hit tolerance long ago. It does not do anything to me anymore and I do in fact get interdose withdrawals.

Now not everything that they say is wrong but that is the thing about these places: it has a modicum of truth to support the rest of its crazy. So things like withdrawals, interdose withdrawals, tolerance, dependence, etc. are all very real things but with that said when you add a group of very hyperaware people into a group you are going to have disastrous consequences and this is exactly how it happened to me. Long story short was this, I was going to die.

With my myriad of health problems on top of my mental issues, I had it in my head that there is no way I could put my body through the ringer like these people have done and go through that amount of suffering for that long. If these people who also have mental health problems are basically doing everything short of dying all day every day, what chance does a guy have who was newly diagnosed with congestive heart failure, addison’s disease, diabetes, late stage rheumatism, macular degeneration, asthma, and a low seizure threshold from the meds? Over a period between 28 to 35 my body fell apart with this series of maladies.

My reason for needing to come off of the benzos I had been prescribed was quite simple. I had other deadly issues that I needed to deal with and the combination of meds could be fatal. Similar to taking alcohol and benzos one may potentiate the other or have an adverse affect. I was very scared.

I went to Benzo Buddies because when looking online you see three types of information on benzo withdrawal. You see the “detox” centers that make up about the first 5 pages of a web search like a vulture. Next you will see Benzo Buddies which is almost exclusively the only group for people who talk about benzos at all and lastly you find a few sparse abstracts from studies done on PubMed. There was not a lot of information out there, so I made the dire mistake of joining Benzo Buddies.

From day one I was welcomed. But creepily, I noticed a strange trend. I came into the whole idea of getting off the benzos with a sense of positivity and that left very quickly when I saw the flood of “OMG I WANNA DIE, JESUS SAVE ME NOW” posts. I was startled. I felt sorry for them and then I started reading their stories. Honestly it scared the hell out of me. I mean come on, they have a manual and everything and it seemed they had the market cornered and knew just what to do about it. But no one was getting better unless by better you mean they aren’t killing themselves everyday, which did sometimes happen.

The more I read the more disturbed I became. Out of my many diagnosis one of which is OCD. I couldn’t get the stories out of my head – it was starting to take over my life. Surely thousands of people as a collective cannot be wrong, right? I got very depressed, I began thinking even if I go into a detox program my body could not handle the major sedatives that it would take to ween me off and even if it did I would be in hell. I am agoraphobic and co-dependent. I have not been able to ride ina car or leave my wife’s side for more than a few minutes in years. I would die alone, all alone in some phenobarbitol haze in a run down detox center that was built for opiate addicts and drunks. Pretty much a prison for those in psychological despair and even after that I was told that the withdrawals would last years. I would be in an unbelievable hell for an undefined amount of time and screaming and crying trying just to keep my sanity and in sheer terror and pain.

That is what I was taught at Benzo Buddies. There was no real healing and the further I slipped into the dark the more my brain although suicidally anxious, depressed, and still even then something in my brain kept telling me that this is not adding up.

When I first did research on my benzo (alprazolam) I checked for all the usual things but then the OCD took over. I have called Pfizer’s medical support team to see how it is manufactured I was gathering all the data that I could to combat my ignorance and by the end I found quite a few problems with Benzo Buddies belief in “healing” which just seemed like a place to scare the hell out of others. Here are a few things I learned after doing research, talking to dozens of pharmacists, reading medical journals and abstracts from previous studies and the like.

1. There is no such thing as a stable blood plasma level of benzos in your blood, ever. Depending on what benzo you are taking differing things such as smoking, eating, your age body type, body weight, lifestyle choices ect. All of this is going to change the amount of benzodiazepine in your system every single dosage every single day. Some medicines will make it stronger, some foods weaker. There is no real baseline. So how in the world were these people who are suffering these massive withdrawals having such effects when using water tit-ration and cutting a dose down by 1/300th of the starting dose? If they did not feel the effects of eating too closely to taking a pill or smoking or exercising which can drastically change the amount then why is a 1/300th of a drop affecting them so much?

2. The 1/300th number was not something I pulled out of a hat. Normally people would take the daily dosage, dilute it into 300ml of water and withdraw a certain amount. that should mean that in 300 days your body is cleared of benzos. But how did they factor in for manufacturer’s variances and stop-loss on the process itself? If such small cuts and even micro-tapering with a jewel scale using a nail file is so imperative. Why did they not notice that each pill you throw in your mouth before the taper could have had a +/- 20 percent active ingredient? How did they not feel that from pill to pill it could have varies so greatly but during a taper something as small as .03 is unbearable?

3. What about the people who you do not hear about? Sure, Benzo Buddies has a ton of people but not nearly everyone who has ever been on benzos. “Alprazolam is not only the most commonly prescribed benzodiazepine, but it is the most commonly prescribed psychotropic medication in the United States, accounting for more than 48 million prescriptions dispensed in 2013”. That number is only rising it is now the 11th most prescribed medicine in the world… PERIOD. That is just alprazolam that does not include its other benzo brethren. Now, if it basically had these crushing, debilitating after effects from a biological standpoint we would be in the mist of an epidemic that would be global and there would be so much information on the subject that there would be whole schools of science devoted just to it, but if you do a quick search you find very little. Just rehabs, Benzo Buddies, and a few abstracts.

4. What about the pregnant women, the elderly and the infirmed? These people have to be taken off these meds quickly at a much faster rate than most people on Benzo Buddies who often try over a course of years. What about them? Why are we not hearing en masse about the insanity of people screaming on the sidewalks unable to walk , talk, having massive breakdowns on a huge scale? Why is it so obscure and confined to one group?

5. The GABA idea. Yes when you have brain trauma it needs time to heal but what struck me as being off about the Benzo Buddies idea is the fact that 10-25% of people who are on benzos long term suffer from protracted withdrawal. During this time the brain is “healing” and could take years. But if it truly had a long lasting biological effect shouldn’t it happen to almost everyone who has been on benzos long term? I mean wouldn’t that number be much closer to 90% given that it is altering your brain and that those who do not have protracted withdrawals are actually the black sheep?

6. Everyday pains turn into withdrawal. If you break you arm and you take Vicodin and then 4 hours later you are in excruciating pain are you having a Vicoden withdrawal? No, you are feeling the pain coming back and you need a new dose. When you take away the benzos the same thing happens and it is much, much more noticeable with the shorter acting ones from my experience. You have a bunch of very anxious people, which is they they are taking the meds to start with and are hyperaware suddenly reducing or stopping benzos. Every smell, twinge, tickle, noise, etc suddenly becomes a withdrawal while remaining completely unaware that you felt and noticed all of those things previous to taking benzos and it is just now returning.

Mass hysteria is a powerful force. I have no doubt that these people are suffering but I often wonder if it is needlessly. If they had not had an outer influence telling them of the horrors of what life will be like, the hell they will go through and other needless war stories, how different would it had been? What brought us as a collective to search for a group to share this with? Mainly it is fear and it is fear that permeates Benzo Buddies and throws people into a state of utter dismay. It had me wanting to die and I felt hopeless until I realized that we are looking at just a small fraction of people who have ever taken the medication and not the millions upon millions who are off of it and who do not have to come there to cope. I almost lost my life because of them and that is not support. You never know who is reading nor do you know how desperate they are. To claim to be the pillar of knowledge on the subject to me is dangerous and irresponsible.

I have no doubt that the people there are plagued by anxiety and that what they feel is very very real but I also believe that it is cyclic. I believe it will happen therefore it does. I just hope others, even though scared out of their wits, will notice that seeing all the anxiety of others is not going to help them at all.

Take Care.

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32 thoughts on “ABOUT

  1. Excellent website people! I’m thoroughly enjoying it! Keep up all the great work!
    LOVE to ALL (MOST),
    Lonpopo.

  2. I understand your stated mission statement but why all the personal attacks on individual people?

    When I google names mentioned here I keep coming across intense fighting between the activists here and those that helped start this website. Is this escapo’s or Donna’s site? Did it used to be moderated by banana101 from ceasefireofmadness?

  3. DITTO. THis is truly the most interesting site i’ve seen in years here folks . I’ve just messaged it to all my best friends and know they’ll thouroughly enjoy it as well. Please keep up all the great work people…let’s try a real tapering off of all the intense hate though folks. I love ART.

  4. I don’t argue with you that hypochondria and “cyberchondria” are the cause of some of the benzo withdrawal symptoms appearing in benzo withdrawal support groups. However, are you claiming that benzos are ok to take indefinitely, and cause no addiction or withdrawal symptoms? In my state, doctors are only allowed to prescribe a 30-day supply of benzos, with no refills. Anything beyond that requires a new prescription. Furthermore, each prescription has to be hand-delivered to the pharmacy by the patient – it cannot be faxed or sent electronically. So apparently, even some states governments are concerned about addiction potential. Can you cite reputable medical literature showing the efficacy of benzos for long-term treatment (beyond say 4 to 6 weeks)?

  5. Challenge accepted. I just Googled this, which most people are capable of doing. Unsure why you didn’t, but then, from dealing with clients all the time in my graphic design business, some people just don’t “get” the Google… (or more commonly, they don’t want to do the leg work. Not making fun of you, but this took me 3 seconds. Read. You don’t have to agree with it, as we all know that opinions are like assholes… and I’m an opinion.) 🙂

    FROM THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY….

    The American Journal of Psychiatry is published by the American Psychiatric Association, and is one of the most influential psychiatric journals in the world. The journal is published monthly and contains peer-reviewed articles on the latest research findings pertinent to mental illness. In this review, I highlight some relevant considerations related to patients using benzodiazepines (also known as ‘minor tranquilizers’).

    In the course of prescribing antidepressant medications for patients with depression, I have often found that accompanying symptoms of anxiety or insomnia were best treated with medications such as lorazepam, alprazolam or clonazepam (benzodiazepines). While antidepressants have anti-anxiety effects and ultimately help to restore normal sleep, they take several weeks to take full effect, while the benzodiazepines bring about more rapid relief of the very distressing symptoms of anxiety and insomnia. Although these medications are generally advised to be prescribed for short-term use only, I have found that some of my patients have continued to take these medications for longer time intervals than anticipated, and have done very well.

    The development of this class of medications (e.g., Valium, Xanax, Ativan, Klonopin) represented a major advance over older anti-anxiety drugs (e.g., barbiturates) in that they are relatively very safe and rapidly effective medications. Although most treatment guidelines recommend the short-term use of these medications, many patients benefit from longer periods of use than is generally recommended (more than 60 days).

    Despite the safety of these medications, many physicians correctly worry about potential risks associated with long-term benzodiazepine use: psychological and physical dependency, uncomfortable and even life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, impaired concentration and coordination and slowed reaction time, and an association with a higher risk of falling or of being involved in automobile accidents. These risks are particularly worrisome among the elderly, who are especially prone to side effects, particularly if high doses of medication are prescribed.

    Writing in the April, 2004 issue of the American Journal of Psychiatry, Dr. Marcia Valenstein and colleagues, from the University of Michigan and the Veterans’ Administration Hospital there, looked at benzodiazepine use among over 46,000 individuals who were treated for depression in VA mental health clinics.

    Even though the study population was restricted to veterans, the findings of the study would not be surprising to most psychiatrists, in that at least one third of patients who were being treated with an antidepressant for depression were also being treated with a benzodiazepine. Patients who were more likely to be prescribed benzodiazepines were of Caucasian or Hispanic ethnicity, were more likely to have co-existing posttraumatic stress disorder or another anxiety disorder, and were older than those not being prescribed benzodiazepines. African-Americans and individuals with a history of substance abuse were less likely to have been prescribed these medications. Patients who were prescribed these medications usually received supplies of medication that would allow long-term use. Dispensing of less than a 30-day supply of benzodiazepines, a practice typically recommended by practice guidelines, occurred for only 6% of all patients whose records were reviewed.

    Reassuringly, patients were not prescribed very high doses of these medications, and most patients seemed to take less of the medications than their doctors prescribed. However, the fact that more than 30% of these depressed patients were being prescribed benzodiazepines, and for more than a short time period, suggests that this is a very common prescribing practice that may, in some patients, raise the risk of adverse events. It is important for the patient taking benzodiazepines to work with his or her doctor to find alternative strategy to control anxiety or to work toward ingesting the lowest effective dose possible. While there may be some discomfort in lowering benzodiazepine frequency and dosage, the decreased risk of adverse side effects is, in my opinion, well worth it.

    The views expressed in the above article are those of the author and do not reflect an endorsement by the Greater Long Island Psychiatric Society of any medications or treatment plans.
    ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
    Dr. Schwartz is the Director of Residency Training and an Associate Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Stony Brook University School of Medicine.

  6. It seems to me that you’re only after the benzo people. I could be wrong but what other “cults” have you gone after? Why take such an interest in them? If you are hopelessly addicted, than that’s fine. You have accepted your fate. Do you think you’re going to convince everyone that benzo addiction is awesome? Lol.. Get over it my man.

  7. Btw, i never used any of the benzo support groups and i’m sure there is a lot of misinformation there but i believe their intentions are good. Trying to help people kick a shitty addiction. Leave those nut jobs alone.

  8. Have you ever been addicted to benzo’s, or indeed other drugs? The current Health Minister in the UK (right wing, Conservative) has acknowledged that over prescribing has left 1 – 1.5 million people in the UK physically dependant. It’s embarrassing enough for it to dawn on you that if you miss a dose every step will send an electric jolt through your brain. That you are dominated by a yellow pill.

    Why piss on people when their down? I think the title of your website my be a little more than self-reflective.

  9. this site is runned by a sick person prob on this mind fucked drug her/him self and anti psychotic’s PYCHOPATH

  10. I know you going to read this(admin) so here my message you are not going to WIN never you FOOL

  11. Dude, what in hell are you doing? I know nothing about all the benzodiazepine support sites you seemingly believe are property of Satan, but I’ve been seeking a support site given benzodiazepine drugs are just too difficult for one to quit on their own, and doctors have no clue with regard to assisting those of us who don’t withdraw (not sure what you’d like to hear), uh, “good enough?” My doctor took me off 3mg (triple dose) of Klonopin after 8 years of daily use as prescribed by my old doctor. I took them because I thought a patient is to be compliant. 5 days after quitting cold turkey, I wound up in the ER. I’ll spare the details because you clearly don’t believe what could happen when quitting this stuff. Why, you may wonder, did I want to quit? Perhaps 5 medical specialists who are trying to help me with 5 new physical health condition I did not have prior to benzos all concurred Klonopin use at that dose for that long is the root of my afflictions. Uh, that’s 5 doctors. Are they all incompetent, then? God, man. Whatever your agenda is, it is arguably the most jacked up thing to put time and energy into.

  12. Why on earth would you care how people get support during withdrawal from this evil drug. My son is living in a place no one should have to be in, all in the name of klonopin. Are you nuts? Have you ever tried to get support from a doctor or worse yet, a psychiatrist? You need to mind your own business and let the people going through this hell make their own decisions on what support works for them. If someone is so ill that suicide is what they choose that has nothing to do with the support given in good faith from this website. Again, it is not for you to decide and make decisions on someone elses life. If sharing experiences as well as support helps people that is their choice, not yours. You need to mind your own business, simple as that.

  13. Hi Scott and Ruth

    I care because I lost a person I cared about very much to this cult. My friend took their own life after being convinced that their doctor prescribed medicine that they were dependant on, was actually ” a toxic poison” that must be discontinued at all costs…….

    I think any caring person who has seen the damage this cult has caused would do what they can to put a stop to it.

    Nothing good can come from visiting benzo buddies and listening to mentally ill people talk about crazy conspiracy theories, hateful and violent plans to harm health care workers, psycho somatic health issues, blaming others for their own drug addiction, etc. etc.

    It is my sincere hope you both wake up and smell the coffee before you are both ensnared in the benzo buddies web of deception, fear, and hate.

  14. Although there are many people who do have good intentions in these groups, I also see the bad. Grown people intentionally hurting other members for no reason other than trying to gain some kind of mind control. It’s unfortunate that this is how it is, and you all can deny it, but it is the truth! There is good information in some of them, but when you hear a person who is saying that they can’t do it! That they are way too sick, or they don’t want to go on, then instead of feeling compassion, we hear “YES YOU CAN”! I am not saying this is the case with every group, but if not watched steadily by moderators, this can be an opening to a door that can no longer be closed.

    We’ve lost another one because he was to ashamed that he couldn’t go on, but let’s keep going on! How can you? Does not anyone take some accountability for their actions? Did you ask him if he wanted to talk, or explain that if he feels this way that it was okay, and he didn’t have to continue tapering off the drug, or if it wasn’t working for him, that maybe his doctor could try something else. What is more important, life or feeling all powerful? Put yourselves in their shoes and don’t give advice when you clearly have no idea what this person is about to do by telling him to keep dying…I mean going! I have a serious problem with this. We are not doctors, nor therapist, but we are supposed to support one another on how they feel and they need to be able to make their own decision but it should be theirs and not encouraged to do what he feels he can’t. Some deaths were not seen, or even able to have been stopped, but to have read four that were, and actually pushed over the edge is WRONG! When I have looked at some of these posts after, I was ashamed and hurt! I felt guilty that I wasn’t there to give sound advice and lend them my time. So you all can go on about who’s hurting who or why this site sucks, but before you do that, have you ever mistreated anyone in group? Have you ever once felt like you yourself was? Do you hate doctors? Are you so mad that you will blame it all on them? Is it not time to accept and get help? If you decide to, first think of what was going on before you got on the pill, and what other medications you may have been taking. Is there something more than just benzos that are affecting your well being? Have you seen a regular DR and been examined? If someone is telling you that they are scared because their heart is hurting, jaw is clenching, and they are really frightened. Would your answer be “don’t worry it’s benzo wd” or would you recommend him to go to get looked at? If you answered yes to the first part, and then this person dies of a heart attack, wouldn’t you be responsible for his death? People get sick! Everything can not be just regarded as wd when you don’t know for sure.

    Now let’s get back into the backstabbing. You see it happening all the time. You see one person who is trying to help while others are throwing stones of lies, but you do not nothing and even worse, you join in! Would you teach your children that? There are just a few that I truly care about in these groups, but that’s all. They have tried to kill me with their words and wickedness. Gossip and drama fills the air and then you start getting messages of this one and that one talking about you. This used to hurt so bad, but not I’m just sick of it and fear for others. Being an admin is not being a King/Queen, and yet I only know a few who acted as a member, but with more responsibility and care.. You can just cut right down to big Facebook groups except one, because their leaders are hypocrites and it’s too bad that you will have to see it for yourself. When you are being told to avoid all medications because of the Ashton Manual, and you listen, then you are not thinking for yourselves. Open your mind, and think! If you really don’t believe in mental illness, then you never saw it, but maybe you yourself are, and that is the reason why you were put on them. We need to look at ourselves and face the truth, because only then can we get healed, and that should be the goal. If I am bi-polar and you tell me I’m not, then you do not know what mania is or what it looks like. You have no idea what you are telling others just because you don’t have that disease! There was a time that I thought this site was the enemy. I was taught that and saw blogs from groups on here, but within a month did I start to see how groups would do things. Damn, I was new, and the mods just called someone out by name to embarrass her and if she didn’t agree with them, she would be thrown out, and she stood her ground, and so did they, but the one who was thrown out, I see and understand her point, and she then instead of getting revenge wanted to have a group where next to none would be kicked out, and was against bullying. Yet she herself got blasphemed in other groups and on people’s walls because she was off of benzos for 23 months and for the first time felt depression, and when it hit her, she was going to do something about it. So instead of yelling keep going, which most of them did still, some thought it would be best for her not end her life and go back on the pill. All her hard work soon will be nothing because there are some wicked people who would rather crucify her and blame it on benzos. You jealous fools! Death means nothing to the evil ones. You form your own private groups, oh Hail The Ungrateful Wolf! Bow down Nicole and add your five cents with the rest of your cult! You will be exposed!! You should not be envied and your not, but you got Sleepy and now your in protracted wd, but hey let’s live in suffering as you say you do, and let’s gather our strength together to bash the one who refused to join you and reinstated!! How fun is this? So although once I was for group support, I find myself disgusted with most of the people I have met. It also makes me sad because some of them are speaking the truth and telling you how sick they are and you got sick of hearing one of them and destroyed her in right in there. Then we find out she killed herself. How could you do that to someone? Oh that’s right, it was the benzos! I believe it is Involuntary Manslaughter! So go ahead and yell in here all you want when you have all witnessed these sort of things while in group. Hate me, that’s fine, but you can’t kill someone who has no respect of what your opinions are or how you choose to use your words. Really, this is just how people should behave! This is YOUR life, and don’t allow your minds to be fooled into thinking that you are not worth it, or it’s to hard to keep living. I know, I also did this, and tomorrow I might feel this way again, but I will keep moving forward and if that means that I have to take my medication to do so, then I will and maybe one day I won’t need them anymore, but I will live the way I want to now! How gross it is to see a war from support groups and this site when you all know that benzo wd does exists, but you are doing more harm in your own support settings! Let’s give everyone another excuse to use vulgar language and act like a punk? Again it’s up to you, but you make yourselves look really bad when you do this and people who read his wall will see how he reacts and you! Think before to write.

  15. Hey I don’t know what the hell you are trying to do here , it says something about you and this site when you call bb and other sites names like hate groups crazies and and a long list of insults, I think just showsyou are the one spreading hate as I myself have been thru terrible painfull w/d and bb and sites like it really helped me as I was haveing many strange painfull symptoms before I found bb and the help to get thru this from people that have been there and done that and encouraged me along the way . I do know people have come to there end and killed themselves as they did not know what was happening, the pain and length of time as it’s long, kill themselves as they think it will never end, without bb people that telling to just hang in as it get better , I have been thur this it’s very reel , what u r trying to do here will cause death ,

  16. I’m a member of Benzo buddies and have been for 4 years. I’ve written many comforting posts to encourage other in my years of recovery. I have almost finally fully recovered and have had people as far as New Zealand write me and say how much my messages have helped them sustain through recovery. At least one of these was actually a doctor himself who utilized my messages to help a current patient in Benzo withdrawal (as he was not familiar with how to support him). And one was from a nurse. I never offered any senseless medical advice, but did explain the process of recovery. Please do not discount those people in the world that may be intelligently utilizing that space to make it through the challenging recovery process. There are always a few bad eggs, but there are also many gems. Not everyone must be your enemy. To lump everyone on a forum in that category is not accurate or kind. Many folks are there to give and receive appropriate encouragement WITH a doctor-managed program happening concurrently. 😉

  17. Have you got an email address for hot gossip which deserves to be published here. Be nice if you had a link to one on this site. Thank you.

  18. Mike,

    Do you think you may ever begin a “success stories” page for those who have completed discontinuation responsibly and come out the other side? I wouldn’t want to encourage anyone to simply cease their medications, but where necessary and under the guidance of a medical professional – as in my case – it may give hope to those who wish to press forward without the use of Benzo Buddies and its ilk. I’m now 4 1/2 months out and am over the worst. It would be wonderful to tell others that not everyone suffers for years on end, and not everyone tapers, either (I’m extremely thankful that I didn’t on the latter.)

    Thanks for your input.

    Jennifer

  19. I need a techworm to get my computer up and running and get me on Facebook.

    Or your also liars and hypocrites

    Because I won’t get anybody in trouble. I’m ging to be very very nice.

    I won’t lie.

    I won’t be the tattletale.

    But you have to let me sat this

    Call it operatioexposethe government

  20. Because if I dont say What I have to say, people are really going to get hurt.

    I just want to post a parenting video for 2 of my friends.

    A history lesson for teenagers

    Etc. You HAVE to let me to this because noone will know buy us.

    The game goes:

    Your back in kindergarden. List the first three friends on your friends list

    You know the game. Noone will know. I wont explode, I promise.

  21. I’m sane. I am going to go have a ciggarette,

    But if you abandon me now, in my time of need,

    Then your child does’t know you

  22. Anonous is a lie. So you expose it. Big deal. Everybosy already knows. We’re just putting up videos like the black rapper

    And the black girls teet, etc,

    Or forget it.

    Your THE FRAUD

  23. Dude, anyone who dedicates all of his time to trolling a website, ANY website, obviously has some major mental issues of his own

  24. This blog is not trolling benzobuddies. It’s an independent blog, raising awareness of a harmful online cult.

    What else ya got?

  25. I am interested in how you create the link between benzobuddies and scientology, cults, and malice. I get that you think maybe they are misinformed about psychiatric drugs and having group hysteria about their chronic pain and psychiatric symptoms being linked to benzos and have developed a disdain towards psychiatry. But where does scientology come in? I don’t see any articles here where you explain this stuff and expose identities of malicious scientology cult leaders. Could you please inform us here.

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  27. As a PhD in research biopsychology I have personally dealt with many symptoms associated with benzodiazepine use. I suggest everyone visit cesspoolofmadness.com. Neither they, nor I, are Scientologists. Please do your homework, and then ridicule people who resort to self-help websites, like Benzo Buddies.

  28. Benzo Buddies is in fact a dangerous place especially for the vulnerable. It is not a support group at all if anything it is a place where people go to commit mental suicide and sometimes actual suicide. I should know I was one of those people. A little bit of backstory: I have been on 3mg alprazolam for over 10 years that is 1mg 3 times a day and I have hit tolerance long ago. It does not do anything to me anymore and I do in fact get interdose withdrawals.

    Now not everything that they say is wrong but that is the thing about these places: it has a modicum of truth to support the rest of its crazy. So things like withdrawals, interdose withdrawals, tolerance, dependence, etc. are all very real things but with that said when you add a group of very hyperaware people into a group you are going to have disastrous consequences and this is exactly how it happened to me. Long story short was this, I was going to die.

    With my myriad of health problems on top of my mental issues, I had it in my head that there is no way I could put my body through the ringer like these people have done and go through that amount of suffering for that long. If these people who also have mental health problems are basically doing everything short of dying all day every day, what chance does a guy have who was newly diagnosed with congestive heart failure, addison’s disease, diabetes, late stage rheumatism, macular degeneration, asthma, and a low seizure threshold from the meds? Over a period between 28 to 35 my body fell apart with this series of maladies.

    My reason for needing to come off of the benzos I had been prescribed was quite simple. I had other deadly issues that I needed to deal with and the combination of meds could be fatal. Similar to taking alcohol and benzos one may potentiate the other or have an adverse affect. I was very scared.

    I went to Benzo Buddies because when looking online you see three types of information on benzo withdrawal. You see the “detox” centers that make up about the first 5 pages of a web search like a vulture. Next you will see Benzo Buddies which is almost exclusively the only group for people who talk about benzos at all and lastly you find a few sparse abstracts from studies done on PubMed. There was not a lot of information out there, so I made the dire mistake of joining Benzo Buddies.

    From day one I was welcomed. But creepily, I noticed a strange trend. I came into the whole idea of getting off the benzos with a sense of positivity and that left very quickly when I saw the flood of “OMG I WANNA DIE, JESUS SAVE ME NOW” posts. I was startled. I felt sorry for them and then I started reading their stories. Honestly it scared the hell out of me. I mean come on, they have a manual and everything and it seemed they had the market cornered and knew just what to do about it. But no one was getting better unless by better you mean they aren’t killing themselves everyday, which did sometimes happen.

    The more I read the more disturbed I became. Out of my many diagnosis one of which is OCD. I couldn’t get the stories out of my head – it was starting to take over my life. Surely thousands of people as a collective cannot be wrong, right? I got very depressed, I began thinking even if I go into a detox program my body could not handle the major sedatives that it would take to ween me off and even if it did I would be in hell. I am agoraphobic and co-dependent. I have not been able to ride ina car or leave my wife’s side for more than a few minutes in years. I would die alone, all alone in some phenobarbitol haze in a run down detox center that was built for opiate addicts and drunks. Pretty much a prison for those in psychological despair and even after that I was told that the withdrawals would last years. I would be in an unbelievable hell for an undefined amount of time and screaming and crying trying just to keep my sanity and in sheer terror and pain.

    That is what I was taught at Benzo Buddies. There was no real healing and the further I slipped into the dark the more my brain although suicidally anxious, depressed, and still even then something in my brain kept telling me that this is not adding up.

    When I first did research on my benzo (alprazolam) I checked for all the usual things but then the OCD took over. I have called Pfizer’s medical support team to see how it is manufactured I was gathering all the data that I could to combat my ignorance and by the end I found quite a few problems with Benzo Buddies belief in “healing” which just seemed like a place to scare the hell out of others. Here are a few things I learned after doing research, talking to dozens of pharmacists, reading medical journals and abstracts from previous studies and the like.

    1. There is no such thing as a stable blood plasma level of benzos in your blood, ever. Depending on what benzo you are taking differing things such as smoking, eating, your age body type, body weight, lifestyle choices ect. All of this is going to change the amount of benzodiazepine in your system every single dosage every single day. Some medicines will make it stronger, some foods weaker. There is no real baseline. So how in the world were these people who are suffering these massive withdrawals having such effects when using water tit-ration and cutting a dose down by 1/300th of the starting dose? If they did not feel the effects of eating too closely to taking a pill or smoking or exercising which can drastically change the amount then why is a 1/300th of a drop affecting them so much?

    2. The 1/300th number was not something I pulled out of a hat. Normally people would take the daily dosage, dilute it into 300ml of water and withdraw a certain amount. that should mean that in 300 days your body is cleared of benzos. But how did they factor in for manufacturer’s variances and stop-loss on the process itself? If such small cuts and even micro-tapering with a jewel scale using a nail file is so imperative. Why did they not notice that each pill you throw in your mouth before the taper could have had a +/- 20 percent active ingredient? how did they not feel that from pill to pill it could have varies so greatly but during a taper something as small as .03 is unbearable?

    3. What about the people who you do not hear about? Sure, Benzo Buddies has a ton of people but not nearly everyone who has ever been on benzos. “Alprazolam is not only the most commonly prescribed benzodiazepine, but it is the most commonly prescribed psychotropic medication in the United States, accounting for more than 48 million prescriptions dispensed in 2013”. That number is only rising it is now the 11th most prescribed medicine in the world… PERIOD. That is just alprazolam that does not include its other benzo brethren. Now, if it basically had these crushing, debilitating after effects from a biological standpoint we would be in the mist of an epidemic that would be global and there would be so much information on the subject that there would be whole schools of science devoted just to it, but if you do a quick search you find very little. Just rehabs, Benzo Buddies, and a few abstracts.

    4. What about the pregnant women, the elderly and the infirmed? These people have to be taken off these meds quickly at a much faster rate than most people on Benzo Buddies who often try over a course of years. What about them? Why are we not hearing en masse about the insanity of people screaming on the sidewalks unable to walk , talk, having massive breakdowns on a huge scale? Why is it so obscure and confined to one group?

    5. The GABA idea. Yes when you have brain trauma it needs time to heal but what struck me as being off about the Benzo Buddies idea is the fact that 10-25% of people who are on benzos long term suffer from protracted withdrawal. During this time the brain is “healing” and could take years. But if it truly had a long lasting biological effect shouldn’t it happen to almost everyone who has been on benzos long term? I mean wouldn’t that number be much closer to 90% given that it is altering your brain and that those who do not have protracted withdrawals are actually the black sheep?

    6. Everyday pains turn into withdrawal. If you break you arm and you take Vicodin and then 4 hours later you are in excruciating pain are you having a Vicoden withdrawal? No, you are feeling the pain coming back and you need a new dose. When you take away the benzos the same thing happens and it is much, much more noticeable with the shorter acting ones from my experience. You have a bunch of very anxious people, which is they they are taking the meds to start with and are hyperaware suddenly reducing or stopping benzos. Every smell, twinge, tickle, noise, etc suddenly becomes a withdrawal while remaining completely unaware that you felt and noticed all of those things previous to taking benzos and it is just now returning.

    Mass hysteria is a powerful force. I have no doubt that these people are suffering but I often wonder if it is needlessly. If they had not had an outer influence telling them of the horrors of what life will be like, the hell they will go through and other needless war stories, how different would it had been? What brought us as a collective to search for a group to share this with? Mainly it is fear and it is fear that permeated Benzo Buddies and throws people into a state of utter dismay. It had me wanting to die and I felt hopeless until I realized that we are looking at just a small fraction of people who have ever taken the medication and not the millions upon millions who are off of it and who do not have to come there to cope. I almost lost my life because of them and that is not support. You never know who is reading nor do you know how desperate they are. To claim to be the pillar of knowledge on the subject to me is dangerous and irresponsible.

    I have no doubt that the people there are plagued by anxiety and that what they feel is very very real but I also believe that it is cyclic. I believe it will happen therefore it does. I just hope others, even though scared out of their wits, will notice that seeing all the anxiety of others is not going to help them at all.

    Take Care.

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