Addicted, not dependent

Just accept that you're an addict
« on: May 01, 2020, 10:17:11 am »

[Buddie]

Edit: I have made changes to this. There’s lots of good valid points on this website.

Throughout this withdrawal process, now that I’m 10 months in, I ask myself daily am I a drug addict or not? So these are the points that I told myself.

For starters, the non drug addict in me, the one that wants to not be labeled a drug addict, tells myself this. The doctor told me I had an anxiety condition at 17 years old and instructed me to take medication for it. So I took the medication as prescribed and sometimes even less. I didn’t like the way the medication felt, and I didn’t want to have to take anything but felt it was medically necessary. I actually went to detox against my doctor’s advice so that I can get off of them a couple years later. And I always had extras left over.

As for the drug addict in me, the one that my doctor’s and family and everybody is telling me that I am, it’s a different story. I had really bad anxiety so I wanted something that would make me feel calm right away, and only benzos did that. I would always go to a good doctor that was willing to prescribe large amounts because I needed large amounts.

When I went to the doctor, I would constantly say I have horrible anxiety even if it wasn’t that bad, I think I was being my own dramatic worst enemy. I always carry them around in a pill container, even after getting in trouble for it multiple times with the law. I took them everywhere I went. I thought about them all day long everyday because I knew they were in my pocket and if something got bad, I would take one. I didn’t take them more than prescribed, but I still took a lot.

Later on in life, living in Florida, they diagnosed me with essential tremor, so I no longer went to outpatient therapy or treatment. I just got my pills once every 6 months. So I had endless pills at home and I would make sure I refilled them early every month so that I would have extras. I would stockpile them and I would get happy that I had extras.

Later on, I was screwing around all day long in Colorado and smoking medical marijuana and taking my Valium, only to end up homeless. For the longest time, I thought it was everybody else’s fault. Looking back, it’s my life and I had the choice to take whatever I wanted but ended up on the street. And now I’m going through severe withdrawal.

If I had just taken them for a couple weeks like they suggested at the same time every day, and then quit without thinking about it and had really bad symptoms for a long time, I don’t think it would be an addiction problem.

So this is why I think I’m also a drug addict on top of having a physical dependency at this point, because when I look back at my life, it was really screwed up because of pills. Nobody forced me to take them. I knew that it was the pills messing things up but I couldn’t stop anyways. Yes it was because of the horrible withdrawal, but psychologically I needed help to do it.

There’s many people saying I’m not a drug addict because I took them as prescribed, well lots of people take things as prescribed and end up addicted. I think it’s just the bad reputation it gets and that’s why people don’t like to be called that.

So half of me wants to say yes I’m a drug addict and I take responsibility for it, but I still have that other side of me saying hey you didn’t do anything wrong it was prescribed and they told you to take it all day everyday for 20 years regardless of ending up on the street and in hospitals and jails and stuff like that.

And now that I’m 10 months out, I don’t really care if I’m a drug addict or not because it doesn’t change my situation or my symptoms or even the way that my doctor looks at me, because she thinks I’m a drug addict in the first place.

And then you have the fact where almost everybody thinks you’re a drug addict anyways, and if you argue with them, you just look stupid. Like it’s almost better just to say yeah I was addicted and I’m having a hard time and maybe they would help you out more.

However that can also go wrong, like with my family over the last couple months, when I was facing eviction, they were sitting there calling me a drug addict telling me I needed to go to recovery and I kept saying, I don’t have a problem, it was my choice to get off of them and they were prescribed. So they would tell me, I think you do have a problem and we’re not paying for a place to live because it’s your life and you’re a grown-up.

Now another thing to consider, I’m getting housing with Trillium the mental health company. And they are telling me recovery is possible from both mental health and substance abuse. So they’re not labeling me anything, they’re just saying you can recover from either. So basically we have mental health problems temporarily until we get better. It’s not meant to be permanent housing. So it doesn’t matter which category you’re in, they help you anyways.

Where the problem is, is with Social Security a few months back. They told me I was not entitled to disability benefits because I might have problems because of substances. That’s what the judge said, even though I was prescribed benzos for anxiety condition, he said he thought the medicine contributed to my problems. When clearly I already had the problems and that’s why I was taking the medication. That really pissed me off.

So there’s lots of things to consider, judges telling me I have substance abuse problem, family thinking I’m a drug addict, mostly everybody from the older generation saying I’m a drug addict. The newer generation says well it’s prescribed they can’t tell you that, almost like it’s a court case or something. So if you get really technical, things get really confusing.

But in my case, I’m pretty sure I had both physical dependency and an addiction problem. I mean if you’re sitting around counting your pills every month towards the end and thinking about them all day and how you feel all the time, and fearing running out again because you might end up homeless again, and always making sure the doctor prescribes as many as possible, you probably have an addiction problem.

I guess with benzos and prescribed opiates, if it’s prescribed, it’s one of those things you don’t want to admit that it’s addiction, and it’s not for everybody, but I don’t know anybody that doesn’t like them. So maybe people need to stop judging and it wouldn’t be such a big deal. Maybe they should just say if it’s prescribed it’s not a big deal.

The problem with prescribed or not, nurses in hospitals don’t care if it’s prescribed and whenever you go to a new doctor, they don’t care if it’s prescribed or not either. Each person is going to make their own judgment call.

And right now, I have my medical doctor saying it’s a brain injury but that I also have an addiction I’m recovering from, so it’s both. My pharmacist says well you probably were addicted but it was prescribed and you were taking it correctly so I kept feeling it. My family says well you were probably addicted but it was prescribed for 20 years for a reason, so it’s not a big deal. Everything is finally falling into place which is great.

But I will always look back at all of this and I will never forget the judge saying that the pills contributed to my mental health even though it was to help it, and I will never forget people judging me during a time when it was all about money and they were using addiction as an excuse not to help.

And throughout life, half of the people you talk to are going to say it’s a diction and half are going to say the doctors gave you a brain injury. So you might as well just accept whatever people think and go with it. What’s it going to hurt? Who cares, you don’t have to worry about doctors anymore. But I completely get it, it’s not good to be labeled a pill seeker and drug addict. I was even labeled a pill Seeker for asking for my propanolol at the State Hospital.

Was I seeking pills? Well technically, yes. I was asking for my prescription and they wrote it in my chart. Was it okay? No it wasn’t okay at all. They needed to give me my damn meds. Anyways, moving on, that’s my opinion at least.

I’m both a recovering prescription drug addict, as well as somebody that’s been damaged by doctors and Genentech, because it was their fault. That’s why they need to pay for all the damage they did.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2020, 02:51:39 pm by [Buddie] »

Delirious addict carried thermometer at all times after being brainwashed into believing benzo withdrawal sent his temp to 106°

Re: Do people here have difficulty regulating body temperature.
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2019, 12:57:15 am »

Jack37

Yes. I struggled to keep my body temp between 95-103 in the beginning. If I went out in the cold it would start to drop below 95 very quickly like in minutes. If I turned on the heat in the car my temp would start climbing. The sky was the limit. I carried a thermometer at all times for safety. My temperature would go to dangerous extremes quickly. I once had a 106 fever from driving in a hot car. I basically had to try to be in a 73 degree room at all times.
No problems with it currently. That symptom is gone.

Benzo addicts resentful of opiate addicts

My reaction to an opiod withdrawal video
« on: July 17, 2019, 09:52:19 pm »

[Buddie]

Just got finished watching a Ted talk by someone who had a rough time coming off of prescribed opiates.

He was on stage crying in the middle of his speech, and my first thought was “Cool story bro. Let me tell you about benzodiazepines”.

I know the opiod issue has a lot in common with the benzo issue and I’m not saying that opiod withdrawal isn’t awful or that we should look down on anyone who has had that experience, but it kind of bothers me that for years I have been dealing with something that most people claim is worse than opiod withdrawal, yet no one really wants to acknowledge that it is a problem.

Where is our Ted talk? At least everyone acknowledges the opiod issue and they are taking some steps to correct it, benzos are barely part of the prescription drug conversation.

Re: My reaction to an opiod withdrawal video
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 12:39:49 am »

[Buddie]

Where is our Ted talk?

Excellent question, […]! I’ve been wondering the same thing. Maybe since it’s not readily accepted quite yet that these drugs have been part of a “silent epidemic,” there’s fear in coming forward? Something is holding people back from full public acknowledgment and disclosure. I would certainly like that to end NOW.

I’d be a poor public speaker with horrible stage fright. But to have someone take that step of giving a TED talk would be a breath of fresh air!

Super-rich drug abuser wants to cold turkey 50 zillion drugs

Biggest withdrawl ever on here.
« on: May 10, 2019, 02:04:05 am »

[Buddie]

CT Klonopin .5mg, Seroquel XR150mg, Cigarettes, and everthing. I going to restrict myself with no phone and on call support for meals, and I did pay for 2 years of bills today. And food for three months in deep freezer and eat to make meals. I’m prepared for the worst like my health anxiety, and best on normal ground to deal every day stuff. I only took drugs for sleep but sleep dep and sleep med side effects, WD and sleep anxiety cause al sort of s***! No normal human should indure. I have been off K before 3 weeks and moderate sx’s. My last WD.
I been through it all already. F-it.

P.S. I have been up in the past with insomnia for 22 days straight documented in med history. So what do you think is worst! Your stomach, or sweats, or a nightmare, I have had it all. So I”m burnout and say F_it!

P.S. I went through 16 meds for a month at a time each with dieffernt doasages, and highest recommended strengths for sleep this past 13 months. EX: Ambien CR 12.5 at 2 at bedtime. I have taken sleep meds to the max extreme also this last year. And it only prolonged the insomnia with side effects and wd from them also. To me a 12-pk of beer and a 1/8 mg of K is fine by me.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2019, 03:09:27 am by [Buddie] »

Re: Biggest withdrawl ever on here.
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2019, 02:18:03 am »

[Buddie]

TrenchMob,

I am worried about you. That is a lot to quit all at once.

Do you live with family or have family close by to double check on you?

Please be careful and stay safe.

Re: Biggest withdrawl ever on here.
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2019, 02:26:34 am »

[Buddie]

I too am worried. You do risk having to reinstate which may cause more issues in the future. Is there a reason you want to jump from such a high dose? I highly advise against it. I was on .5 milligrams of klonopin as well and cut it to 50% and it was very difficult. I then cut to .125 and i had to updose it was so bad. I know you have likely read your share of horror stories and I’m not trying to scare you. I just know what it feels like and you are at a pretty high dose to jump from. If you don’t have to, I wouldn’t.

Re: Biggest withdrawl ever on here.
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2019, 02:31:13 am »

[Buddie]

CTs are not the way to go. They aren’t safe despite what you hear on here from one person in particular but others as well. You’re creating a situation where you’re at a really high risk of losing your life when you CT not to mention psychosis that can complicate and screw up your mental health for life. It’s a fact that once you have one attempt or a psychotic episode you’re at higher risk of having them again throughout your life. Don’t do that to yourself. Do a rapid taper if you need to and get in person support to minimize those risks but a CT is just harming yourself. People are here to support you and there have been so many who’ve gone off the medication some of which didn’t make it but we’ve benefitted from their experiences and you can too.

Re: Biggest withdrawl ever on here.
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2019, 02:37:25 am »

[Buddie]

Well I can’t CT tonight, drinking hard for one normal night in a long time, But will not take meds tonight. Will wait with hungover 1-2 days. Than continue taper at Seroquel first than K. Yes, I do live with family and well off. Everything is paid for the house,cars, and everything else. $$$$$$$$$. But if need to i’m a hard ass extremist but I don’t to view that now since Benzos affected half of my life so far now with tolereance WD and now taper. F-it its a low dose CT now with 4 other CT’s.
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Addict blames Klonopin after ending up in rehab for opiates

A year of an opioid addiction followed by a year of a Klonopin prescription
« on: March 07, 2019, 10:21:14 am »

[Buddie]

It has not been a good 2 years. January 2017 I began abusing Oxycodone and other opioids. I knew I was heading down a dark tunnel but I didn’t care. I was severely depressed and it was the only thing that made me feel better. That didn’t last long. I spent about a month in rehab in November 2017 and got clean. From opiates, at least. When I got out of rehab my anxiety was so bad I ended up going to the emergency room and they gave me a shot of Valium and a bottle of 90 1mg Clonazepam and told me to take up to 3mg a day as needed. I quickly realized that was too high of a dose for me and ended up taking 1 to 1.5mg a day. I’m currently taking 2mg a day and I feel like my anxiety and depression have returned with a vengeance. I spend a majority of my time sleeping, smoking weed, and watching TV. I have no urge to hang out with any of my friends and have become a recluse. Everything feels like a chore, even eating. I’m 6 foot and 150 pounds. I’m in college and I can barely make it to class. Even when I go I feel like it’s pointless because I don’t remember anything. I feel like Clonazepam has ruined my memory. I used to be able to get all A’s and a few B’s in my classes without studying much. Now I study more than ever and I can barely remember the last page I read. While I was abusing opiates I definitely was not in a good state of mind and it completely fried my dopamine receptors but I feel like the effects Klonopin have had on my brain are even worse. I’m only 22 and feel like if I stay on this drug I’m gonna have Alzheimers by 30. I’m dedicated to tapering off but taking it slow. I just have a few questions I’d like to ask the community if anyone has some input. How long do the memory problems last? Do you notice your memory start to “come back” once getting off benzos? What are some tips to help improve benzo induced memory loss? Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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Benzo addicts trade pills for marijuana

Cannabis for Relief
« on: August 07, 2018, 02:01:15 am »

[Buddie]

Does anyone use cannabis for relief from withdrawal symptoms? If so, Indica or Sativa? Any particular strain for calm/pain etc…

Re: Cannabis for Relief
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 02:22:26 am »

[Buddie]

I use a 2:1 CBD THC oil tincture. The oil goes right under your tounge and it helps a lot with sleep and nighttime anxiety. I also smoke regular high grade marijuana, usually a nice kush, it really takes the edge off, sometimes it makes me paranoid if my anxirety is real bad but otherwise it helps!