Suffering Benzo Buddies member regrets being brainwashed into stopping Valium

Re: What happened to Benzodiazepine Information Coalition?????
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2019, 10:56:08 pm »

[Buddie]

I think it is important to say that for some people it is not the right thing to get off of them

I should never have tried to stop diazepam which I was on the same low dose of for 20 years for muscle spasm from spinal injury and surgery.

WD is literally crushing my spine and I am now paradoxical to all meds.

I had no interdose WD or to,ere veg on the diazepam.

I know ppl in dystonia groups who only get relief from Clonazepam some of whom have been on it for 40 years without problems.

Bone broth, tomato sauce, spices and ANYTHING containing glutamate sends Benzo Buddies members into acute

Bone broth and Glutamate
« on: November 03, 2019, 10:29:27 pm »

DBM

Anybody have bad experiences with bone broth? Apparently it can contain glutamine, which converts to glutamate. We make our own broth with quality chicken. This last batch was simmered for 2 hours because it doesn’t release as much glutamate when cooked for a short time. I ate some yesterday and was revved up all night and sleep was horrible. Any opinions are appreciated.

Things we add in our food
« on: October 24, 2019, 05:11:06 pm »

Liberty30

I’d like to know if adding spices, tomato sauce, or any other sauces to my cooked food can Rev up my symptoms… I used to eat anything with no trouble. But some times after meals I feel awful. Anyone with advise on this, please.

Daylight savings time sends kook into a panic

daylight savings
« on: November 04, 2019, 06:16:48 pm »

greekwarrior

How do people handle the time change? Yesterday my 1st 2 doses I stuck to the new time then by afternoon symptoms increased. Today I am a mess. My last nights 9pm I took at 8pm. My 7am at 5am. 11am at 9am.
Is there any advice on how to handle daylight savings time change?

Benzo Buddies labeled draconian hell site, run by out of control moderators, filled with people who thrive on self-pity

June 06, 2019 8:27 AM EDT
I experienced the same thing on BenzoBuddies. At first it was a great forum and others on that forum helped me through the toughest times of my withdrawal. After I healed, I thought I would pay it forward. I was doing a good job helping others and then decided to introduce outside sources of hope and encouragement. I was instantly reprimanded and when I complained, they pretty much locked down my account to where I couldn’t post anything without moderator approval, nor could I Personal Message anyone. My account was for all intents and purposes…worthless and not usable. I told one moderator in particular that you need people on the site that healed to help and give hope to others. She dismissed it and said I thought I was “special” and “better than everyone else.” Because I volunteered my time on the site? Needless to say I don’t go on BBs any longer. Their draconian rules are only meant to stifle what they claim they are about, which is giving others hope. Too many rules, too many moderators on a power kick and too political…that’s how I would sum up BenzoBuddies. Plus too many hard core people that claim they never heal when they don’t tell “rest of the story.” Almost all of those cases involve being poly drugged and having preexisting medical conditions prior to any type of anti-psychotic drug use.
– Igotmylifeback

How long will the obsessed Benzo Buddies leader’s nearly decade-long feud with Jana Hill go on?

Titration, Patents, and Fantastical Claims
« on: October 29, 2019, 11:34:44 pm »

Colin

Re: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=231829.msg2975666#msg2975666

For many years there were attempts to promote a particular unproven/untested set of titration protocols. Further, those promoting these methods were engaged in rubbishing completely standard (and effective for most) pill-splitting tapers and characterizing them as ‘cut & suffer‘. They even peppered posts at BenzoBuddies with such language – this is when I first intervened in this matter (January, 2013). Even though Jana Hill (the person behind the protocols) closed down her forum some years ago, there continue to be a small number of very vocal individuals who seek to promote her untested claims as somehow proven or guaranteed to work. Indeed, there has been a recent uptick in activity promoting her protocols both within and without BB. When there is any attempt at push-back, the rather extreme reaction (including threats of lawsuits) are rather illustrative of the problem. If this fails, then perhaps one of Hill’s supporters will instead offer to purchase BB. No.

Jana Hill applied for a patent in 2012. As I suggested a short time later here at BB, the claims made in her patent were extremely flawed, some were even dangerous. Indeed, all twenty claims were rejected. Only with the help of the patent examiner (who apparently redrafted three claims for her) was a patent (with three claims) eventually allowed.

Hill seems to misunderstand (or wishes others to misunderstand) that because a patent is awarded, this somehow means that her protocols are: 1) tested and verified; and 2) are defensible. The award of a patent does NOT connote these things. A recent quote from Hill at the Benzodiazepine Information Coalition website:

Quote from: J.Hill
Crazy Canuk , in his opening statement, says that he learned this taper protocol from its developer through BenzoDetoxRecovery. He states that he hopes that it’s okay to make his videos ostensibly describing it. It isn’t; it wasn’t.

Using the protocol incorrectly tarnishes its good name and places users at risk. He presents it incorrectly.

The authentic BenzoMicroTaper protocol USPTO 9301963 has a 13 year record of success. It is verified by the US patent office as novel( it was not previously available), needed, and understandable by “those practiced in the art”.

If The Coalition’s rules allow it, I will post the way that you can find the authentic BenzoMicroTaper . False versions now seem ubiquitous. A summary is available for the patientsÂ’ doctors. You can ask for it using the “reply” button.

J.Hill

Benzodiazepine Tapering Strategies and Solutions – Benzodiazepine Information Coalition
https://www.benzoinfo.com/2017/10/09/benzodiazepine-tapering-strategies-and-solutions/

Hill’s statements that her method, “is verified by the US patent office as novel (it was not previously available), needed, and understandable by ‘those practiced in the art'”, is extremely misleading and disingenuous.

It is probably best for me to simply link to the patent and some information about patents:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US9301963B2/en

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_having_ordinary_skill_in_the_art

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_(patent)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_step_and_non-obviousness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art

http://www.geocities.com/benzobusters/winslow.htm

And for anyone who is particularly interested, and would like to compare, here is the original patent application (with the rejected 20 claims):

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=20120322794.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120322794&RS=DN/20120322794

Further reading, including threats from Hill to doxx a BB member:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=159823.0

There is a lot I could get into, but my time is limited – I’ll leave it for readers to interpret (and discuss if they wish). But if any of you would prefer to read something a little more bite-sized, please check out the attached document*, which was supplied by Hill to the US Patent office in support of her appeal after the patent was initially rejected.** It is replete with nonsense, false claims, and utilization of quite extraordinary language.

* Available via the link at the foot of this post (with a small green paperclip image next to it).

** Please note: Jana Hill’s personal details appear in the attached document. However, Hill long ago chose to make her name and location public knowledge (and again very recently through the media). And the attached document is a public record.
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Benzo Buddies angry at Jordan Peterson for getting better

Re: Jordan Peterson is in rehab for Clonazepam
« Reply #186 on: October 02, 2019, 09:13:55 pm »

[Buddie]

She said something like: Daddy is fine. He was having an allergic reaction to a medication. They removed the medication and now he is OK.

IMHO, I question that explanation. Who, besides a devoted cult follower would believe that?

Re: Jordan Peterson is in rehab for Clonazepam
« Reply #187 on: October 02, 2019, 09:23:52 pm »

[Buddie]

I watched his daughter on youtube. She stated they were putting him on a shorter acting benzo to help withdraw him. Funny how I was told over and over to do just the opposite. Hmm…not sure that’s the right way to go. The medical and detox community are really clueless about these drugs. Seems they think 28 days and get the drug out of a person system fixes this. If it did, this message board would not exist. Wait till he finds out that getting the drug out of your system with a rapid taper can cause more damage and then the real horror is just beginning. Unless he has logged into a message board like this he really has no idea what he is in for. Maybe he’ll be one of the lucky one, but from all my reading and on these boards, if it starts out bad trying to stop it only gets worse. If the rehab f-cks this up with him, which there is very good chance that could happen considering this is benzos not alcohol or opioids, a lot of attention will come down on this problem.

Re: Jordan Peterson is in rehab for Clonazepam
« Reply #188 on: October 02, 2019, 09:27:58 pm »

[Buddie]

I think it’s a lie. I came to this conclusion based on her delivery. It is inconsistent with the TMI way she normally speaks. She tells you he was on klonopin, tells you where every bone and joint replacement in her body is. She told us in detail exactly what happened to her mother including what was leaking and into where. . And now he had a mysterious reaction to a “medication” that she didn’t mention the name of. That is why I think she is lying.

Re: Jordan Peterson is in rehab for Clonazepam
« Reply #189 on: October 02, 2019, 09:37:28 pm »

[Buddie]

One minute you’re illegally leaking the first real televised expose on benzo damage, the next you’ve just had a bad reaction and are fine. Just your average survivor story.

Maybe you leave the hospital but it takes you a while to slow taper off your allergic reaction.

I had a lot of sympathy for this family, but they clearly don’t understand how important this shit is and how they are jerking around with people’s understanding of how damaging these drugs can be.

I will say this again, it pisses me off that no high profile person who has been through this has ever made any real effort to educate the public in any sustained way. Stupid EMINEM wrote like three albums on the theme of addiction and recovery (and relapse) and you’d need a decoder ring and a special Ashton edition of the urban dictionary to understand what drugs he’s talking about.

I read about this stuff all the time. People’s spouses die from benzo “overdose.” Next thing they’re cutting a comedy album. People whose entire careers are based on telling the ‘truth,’ and being confessional about their pain.

It is unfathomable to me.

Benzo Buddies member attacks Lisa Ling for not mentioning Ashton’s death

Re: This Is Life With Lisa Ling
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2019, 12:45:24 am »

[Buddie]

CNN still hasn’t reported Heather Ashton’s death, two weeks after it happened. None of the media have reported it. You’d think Lisa Ling might have posted something about it, but I can’t find anything at all. Well, I guess that’s life with Lisa Ling.

Re: This Is Life With Lisa Ling
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2019, 01:02:46 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on September 30, 2019, 12:45:24 am
CNN still hasn’t reported Heather Ashton’s death, two weeks after it happened. None of the media have reported it. You’d think Lisa Ling might have posted something about it, but I can’t find anything at all. Well, I guess that’s life with Lisa Ling.

lol

Re: This Is Life With Lisa Ling
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2019, 01:04:23 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on September 30, 2019, 12:45:24 am
CNN still hasn’t reported Heather Ashton’s death, two weeks after it happened. None of the media have reported it. You’d think Lisa Ling might have posted something about it, but I can’t find anything at all. Well, I guess that’s life with Lisa Ling.

I’m not sure why they would report it. She’s only important to us, a tiny population. Why don’t you contact Lisa Ling and see what she says?

Re: This Is Life With Lisa Ling
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2019, 01:15:29 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on September 30, 2019, 01:04:23 am
Quote from: [Buddie] on September 30, 2019, 12:45:24 am
CNN still hasn’t reported Heather Ashton’s death, two weeks after it happened. None of the media have reported it. You’d think Lisa Ling might have posted something about it, but I can’t find anything at all. Well, I guess that’s life with Lisa Ling.

I’m not sure why they would report it. She’s only important to us, a tiny population. Why don’t you contact Lisa Ling and see what she says?

If Heather Ashton is only important to us, a tiny population, then why is CNN planning to broadcast a Lisa Ling report about the benzo problem on October 6? Surely the issue must be important to more than just our tiny population. Besides which, CNN has had two weeks to work up a story on Ashton’s death that they could have been using to promote the Lisa Ling show on October 6. I think they’re simply unaware that Ashton has died. I suppose I could contact Lisa Ling or someone else at CNN and tell them, but why would I want to do their job for them?