Ashton's popularity « on: February 08, 2017, 05:27:17 pm »
I’m getting impression whenever I mention Dr Ashton / Ashton’s manual to GP’s or Psychiatrist no one of them seem to reflect. I feel like I’m mentioning name of some unknown shaman?
What’s your experience there?
Re: Ashton's popularity « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2017, 05:33:00 pm »
A lot of doctors in the US have never heard of Dr. Ashton. Some disregard her work simply because they “think” they know better. My doctor was receptive and was willing to use her taper plan for my withdrawal.
Re: Ashton's popularity « Reply #2 on: February 08, 2017, 05:35:54 pm »
I am in the UK … and my psychiatrist had never heard of her. He also denied that my sxs were due to benzo withdrawal. He said something about there being no clinical trials … on benzo withdrawal.
Re: Ashton's popularity « Reply #3 on: February 08, 2017, 05:46:14 pm »
So I’m in Ireland… same here.
In addition, the best thing I heard today from one psychiatrist is that my addiction at this stage is merely psychological .
Generally they are all aware Benzos are bad and they will be reluctant to prescribe it, but when it comes to Benzo addiction in their eyes it looks less significant.
Those two things are not in proportion…
I wish they are right though
There is no Canadian class action suit.
Orange juice revving me up « on: January 11, 2017, 06:58:47 pm »
Just like the title says I’ve been drinking a small glass of OJ in the AM for the past few days. Today I notice increased w/d symptoms like cog fog, dizziness, and a bit anxiety. I always drank a small amount daily but stopped several months ago because I suspected it was revving up my symptoms.
Anyone else experience this too? I know we can get food sensitivities maybe this is one for me. I hope it goes away. Does anyone know an explanation for this? Is it the VitaminC?
Re: i wouldn't put it past Big Pharma to do this... « Reply #61 on: November 30, 2016, 10:19:55 pm »
Quote from: [Buddie] on November 30, 2016, 04:39:48 pm
“theories” about chemtrails uniformly come from people with no background in either environmental science or the commercial airline industry. People with any significant experience in either of these venues have written long, detailed, reasonable and highly accurate essays about why the idea of the government/illuminati/NWO willfully distributing toxins surreptitiously through commercial airplanes is not possible. These “theories” persist because you cannot argue in good faith with reasonable facts against a viewpoint which itself has no good faith or factual support.
Sorry to be harsh, but, I think it’s toxic to have such discussions end with anything other than slightly arrogant dismissal; to a normal person who stumbles across a new website they are not familiar with, the mere mention of “chemtrails” is clear evidence they have landed on the lunatic fringe and should rightly distrust any and all information found there. Chemtrail conspiracy theory is not really any more grounded in reality than the idea that the earth is flat instead of round — something which likewise has support from the lunatic fringe.
Quote from: [Buddie]
it’s time to wake us all up here on Earth because it’s getting hard to breathe!
It is, and this has everything to do with 75 years of reckless industrial manipulation of the carbon molecule, leading to hundreds or thousands of new toxins being invented every year and released through bad, short-sighted waste practices. It’s also got everything to do with the American appetite for constant illumination and travel in gasoline vehicles, and the growing appetite amount developing nations for the same thing.
We do not need to jump to extraordinary claims about willful and explicit efforts to poison the environment; we are poisoning it just fine through casual indifference to questions like “if I drive to town today, is that in some small way helping insure that my great grandchildren won’t have a planet to live on?” The answer to this is a resounding yes if one looks at any reasonable climate model which goes out 50-100 years from today, but that’s a too uncomfortable realization for many people to accept.
We don’t need the NWO to poison the earth. If current trends continue, the earth is unlikely to sustain the current – let alone projected – human population for our own lifetimes. Unless something drastic is done, by 2060 there will have been mass die offs (millions of people) in Africa, arid regions will have become completely uninhabitable, and the social upheaval caused by mass migrations from death zones will cause tremendous strain on already weakened support and infrastructure in more developed areas. Stop worrying about chemtrails; reality is grim enough as it is.
I have tried my best to allow as much latitude as possible in what topics might be discussed at BB. However, it is becoming clear that across the Internet there are problems with 1) people who engage in systematic disinformation; and 2) an unhinged fringe who can now easy find each other and reinforce their own unfounded and delusional conspiracy theories, and so spread their ‘ideas’ (delusions) more systematically.
My original posting requirements for this board:
Chewing the Fat is intended for all those benzodiazepine (and other drug) discussions that are not about “support”. There is a distinct lack of good research regarding benzodiazepine use and withdrawal, but at the same time there is much disinformation too. It is fine to use this board to discuss your pet theories to see if they float, but you should expect strong rebuttals if your ideas do not hold water. References and citations are very much encouraged when posting ideas and rebuttals.
You might also discuss what happened to you and how this might relate to existing research. Again, you might discuss your own ideas too.
Where possible, scientifically supported information should be referenced, but as “Chewing the Fat” implies, floating ideas, sound or fanciful, are also welcome.
Clearly, the above guidance is falling short. From now on, the posting of ‘conspiracy theories’ will not be allowed at BB. The line utilised to determine what constitutes a conspiracy theory will be the I know it when I see it test – at least until we have some more detailed/considered sticky guidance in place.
Here is a recent (completely insane) example of what is occurring more and more across the Internet:
Reddit has a carefully cultured reputation for free-speech principles (Rediit has closed down the ‘pizzagate’ subReddit). But enough is enough – right! I have also noticed that many other websites are taking a tougher stance with these kinds of materials. As […] wrote above, “to a normal person who stumbles across a new website they are not familiar with, the mere mention of “chemtrails” is clear evidence they have landed on the lunatic fringe and should rightly distrust any and all information found there.” This alone is reason enough for us to toughen policy in relation to such materials.
Throughout this thread, there has been a complete failure by those floating these fanciful theories to point to at least one credible source. In addition, they have failed to address any points made by their respondents attempting to inject some semblance of rationality to the discussion. The worst thing about this is the attempt to connect ‘chemtrail’ conspiracy theories to benzodiazepine withdrawal. This will not wash.
I’ve been very patient, but enough is enough. I’ll leave this topic open for a while for comment, but it will be locked in a few days time. There will be no more discussion of ‘chemtrails’ or similar conspiracy theories at BB. In future, we will be more strict about requiring members to post citations and references from reliable/legitimate/coherent sources for all threads created on the Chewing the Fat board.
Like […], I regret if my tone my seems a bit harsh to some members posting here. But as demonstrated in this thread, polite rebuttal does not work when beliefs are espoused with the kind of fervor usually reserved for extreme religious zealots.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2016, 11:37:02 pm by Colin »
Re: If millions are on benzo's, why are there only 20,000 members here? « Reply #45 on: August 02, 2016, 12:18:09 am »
Took me a loooong time to find this forum even though I’m on the Internet a fair amt. I didn’t know abt benzo w/d so didn’t know to search that even. Was just searching individual sx’s.
Ideally ppl find out abt this BEFORE taking benzos, not once dependent. I was hooked in a few wks only. Maybe it should be info supplied by pharmacies or something. Or by doctors. Idk. It should really be a written informed consent process that a patient has to sign before taking these – kinda like consent for surgery. My original prescribing doc at Hopkins still doesn’t believe me that I’m having benzo w/d- I dont still see him but wow!
Even when I found this site, I didn’t join for a long time. I don’t join many sites in general.
There is also some really negative reviews of this site out there- I can’t remember where but it scared me off at 1st. […]- maybe look into that and post a rebuttal.
Yes the FDA approves for short use but who reads that info from the pharmacy and so many things are Rxed off label- a patient trusts the doctor.
I wish so badly I could change the past and not take benzo or at least researched it 1st. I researched everything else and didn’t take other stuff- not sure why I made this epic fail. Definitely need SEO to have ANY search on benzo put info on benzo w/d at the top of Google! Is that possible?? What does it take?? Money?? Anyone have a friend at Google??
Anti fungal creams « on: February 25, 2016, 10:28:51 pm »
Great, just bloody great, can’t even use an anti fungal cream in this??? WTF???
This is getting to be a bit ridiculous now.
So what the hell do we do if we have fungal skin growth?
Re: Anti fungal creams « Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 11:13:39 pm »
Look up natural remedies.. Tee tree oil, apple cider vinegar work just as well.
none of us were warned
the FDA protects Big Pharma
If you can sue the doctor you should.
I mean if the Rolling Stones could write a song about it … it was common knowledge. Right?
Fuck. Xanax. Fuck. Xanax. Fuck. Xanax.
My husband is already a fan of this site.
sue the shit out of those pricks
Anderson had a rather sheepish expression on his face when Pinsky confronted him gently about his use of Ambien.
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Burning sensation in my brain? « on: February 14, 2016, 11:25:47 am »
I’ve been off all anti-depressants and benzos for 2 yrs.Started having pain in my joints and mucles so they put me on opioids. It all spun out of control after that I have had burning sensations throughout my head for 2 yrs. now. I’m not on any meds for 2 yrs. and still having the burning head pain. Can these drugs do that. Has this happened to anyone else out there? I haven’t heard anyone else talk about it. Help please. I’m looking into amino acid iv theropy does this work even after being off the drugs for 2 yrs. already? Thank you for listening to me. I really need your help. Thank you.
Re: My journal « Reply #227 on: Today at 08:36:22 AM »
Well im back,2 days ago i took some tylenol extra strength for some jerks i was having at night. I dont think it did me too good at all . took away the pain i was having but gave me some anxiety that night and felt very tense the next day. I felt somewhat accelerated also and i couldnt sleep till bout 8 am woke up today at 5pm. Ate, went to a friends house and still felt somewhat accelerated. really couldnt stop talking! . and at the same time i felt tired . its now 3 am and i felt tired so i tried to pass out and i couldnt. was having all sort of irrational thoughts, like if i was tripping on acid or something felt like im dreaming but im awake. things didnt seem much real or my thoughts. was thinking of all sort of weird thoughts and still am . I really hope this doesnt send me back into hell . i felt like i was doing pretty good overall, but that tylenol seemed to have put me back some. im gettin that vibrating thing in my head again feels like someone is ringing a gong in my head. its so weird how im having all these irrational thoughts when my head feels SO clear, no cogfog or nothing!! hopefully it goes away soon.
gini.roe says: August 27, 2014
I was going to a Dr. that wanted to do a fast taper, it did not work out, it was horrible. Found a Dr. to do a slow taper, which I have not started yet, due to finding Benzo Buddies….it has scared the hell out of me! Now I have more anxiety than ever (I have anxiety disorder anyway). I wish I had never found BB, it is very detrimental. I also got so tired of reading the posts of people going through severe depression and other members telling them it’s a normal part of withdrawal, and to not take antidepressants as they are “poison”. The members should not be allowed to give out medical advice. For some people an antidepressant could very well save their life.
I’m going to now have to try to get through my taper wondering if I’ll become one of the ones that going into “paradoxical”, “inter-dose withdrawal” or “tolerance withdrawal” and be stuck in a living hell with no way out.
I wish I had never found that damn site. Those terms that they use are now branded into my brain…. I feel mind f**cked! I wasn’t scared of tapering/withdrawal until I found that place!
Please, if you read this, and have found or find Benzo Buddies, stay away! I wish I had!
A lot of people that are prescribed benzos ARE mentally ill and a lot of said mentally ill people ARE on Benzo Buddies.
When I found Benzo Buddies last year I was traumatized for a second time in my life.
This is such self-defeatist bullshit.
ANYONE who is in the vulnerable state of even mild acute benzo withdrawal (assuming they are part of the minority of people that actually have a really hard time with it) would be extra susceptible and sensitive to the power of suggestion to the degree in which being unfortunate enough to stumble across BenzoBuddies during such a time could mean SEVERE psychological damage.
I know because it happened to me. Had I not found that site and had the EVER LIVING NIPPLES scared off of me I do believe I would be OK right now. First I came off of opiates (prescribed) that I had been a “true addict” to… as in, physically dependent and using the painkillers daily to run from a hellish psychological nightmare… a bundle of awful automatic negative thinking and cognitive distortions that I created in my own mind after experiencing severe trauma for the first time in my life as well as panic attacks beginning at the 18th birthday party my friends in highschool were throwing me. There’s a point to my delving into this.
We all used recreational drugs in highschool… products of our environment I guess you could say (but not trying to avoid responsibility for my own actions.) and on that night I swallowed one to many of some sort of designer pills a friend had and everything went all messed up, impossible to verbalize because there is no reference point in our perceptions to place the change in psyche in contrast beside what it may have been earlier. Hard to detect a change but definitely something terrifying. This initial fear turned my ultra confident, truly happy self into a nervous wreck and I NEVER learned how to deal with it. After 5-6 months I realized that opiates were the only thing that made me not care about the looping anxious thoughts I was having which I now believe was a fear of feeling worry and fear themselves associating themselves with philosophical/existential questions that I believed to be the cause of my distress but it was all just a big cognitive distortion which was TRIGGERED by an initial OVERLOAD of fear and panic… like say the kind of fear and panic one might feel when they are tapering off a medication that their trusty doctor prescribed them… decide to look it up… and find fucking BenzoBuddies and the Ashton manual… supposedly a benzo professional that knows more than your doctor with thousands of people to back it all up… all using their own lingo… no longer associating with the rest of society but amongst themselves exclusively. How is the potentially (extra) neurotic & anxious person supposed to know that these thousands of people and this professional… the way it is being presented to them… it is simply the terrifying results of what a mass of people can do using fear and negative reinforcement to break people and reconstruct their minds in a manner in which will benefit THEM or their cause. (Hail fucking Xenu).
So basically… my underlying cause for medicating myself for 7 years of my life was the automatic negative thinking that occurred after a traumatic period in my life. What I was running from by using opiates was no more than an illusion created in my own pessimistic mind which was only pessimistic because of the initial negative event to begin with.
I think this is a great analogy for the poor souls at benzobuddies that weren’t lucky enough to realize that these sites are the results of a mass of people after being frightened and then manipulated by some VERY sick people. Look at this poster above.
“Don’t tell me it’s all in my head.”
I am not saying at all that the awful distress that benzobuddies members must endure… the suicidal, hopeless despair they feel as a result of having their worst fears confirmed… truly believing they will be crippled… unable to live their lives for YEARS and based on the word of THOUSANDS as well as a “professional when it comes to benzos” and a freaking book. Sorry, ADHD… I’m not saying that this awful distress is not real. But it’s BECAUSE of the attitude that corresponds with “Don’t tell me it’s all in my head.”
This is disgusting. It suggests that the human mind is powerless within the limitations of its own neurotransmitter systems. I’ve wondered a great deal about this chicken/egg ordeal here but I think it’s either both or neither. Either way… people have the ability to choose to fight against struggles in their lives regardless of their GABA, glutamate, dopamine, endorphin configurations. It’s this disgusting mentality corresponding with that quote that makes these… absolute victims feel like “No matter what I do I’m going to be sick.” “If I am depressed and do nothing but sit on benzobuddies all day it is not my fault. My doctor did this to me. All I can do is wait instead of… challenging the horrific hopeless negative thoughts that ALL manifested as a negative and exponentially, malignantly growing way of thinking that you could think of like a computer virus copying itself to the person’s entire psychological state of being.
Ugh. Sorry for the book. I know Mike59 and some others probably understand and agree with what I’m saying but it really bothers me that not a lot of others seem to be able to grasp what’s going on.
“It’s not my fault if I’m depressed and have become an invalid because benzobuddies says the doctors have carelessly poisoned me.”
“That’s a load of crap”
“No! You just don’t know professor ashton wrote about it in this… book and all of the benzobuddies and waves and windows and benzo belly and benzo brain… you know what I’m just going to go back to talking to benzobuddies… the only people who know what’s up”
How does anyone not see what is going on here?
Should anyone… TELL these people that anxiety and stress have 250+ physical and psychological symptoms alone? How about the anxiety of having someone tell you while in an anxious state that your life is essentially over… for 2-3 years if you’re lucky. The anxiety from that and the hopeless despair DEFINITELY are the cause of more symptoms than the benzowithdrawal itself. Statistically speaking, only about 18 people out of the entirety on that site should be experiencing ANY withdrawal.
LOOK HOW MUCH SUFFERING IS GOING ON FOR NOTHING and mike59 makes a site like this and it comes off as if his motives result from a personal vendetta so whether or not he is sincere in his mission to stop suffering in this enormous amount of people… it doesn’t matter because for the same reasons that people get sucked into the benzobuddies crap.. they get sucked into believing the critiquing of benzobuddies = hate which is just bullshit.
I have no ill intentions towards anyone on those sites unless they really are aware of the suffering they’re causing and not stopping it for the sake of supporting something like scientology… for the sake of being a part of something… whatever reason. Aside from that I wish every member on that site luck and athough I do agree that the site contains good information… why couldn’t the owners type up something like this post and put it in the user agreement to spare people the hellish nightmare of needlessly thinking their lives are over when their chances of experiencing withdrawal at ALL let alone needing to taper for years are less than 50%?
WHAT IS IT THAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND HERE? Just another example of humanity ostracizing the one person that isn’t part of the problem… of ludicrous misinformation in this case. Oh the rest of the world can’t comprehend what this post I wrote up in 15 mins means even if it could save lives. Benzobuddies that sounds like a nice name! Look it says its a forum for SUPPORT! Someone is ridiculing the support site? Let’s go ahead and asume they’re wrong and post hate pages that show up on google of the real names of people behind it and potentially jeopardize their real lives and the lives of their families for speaking up against our RIDICULOUSLY unimpressive (when considering the potential it has to help rather than hurt) support forum.
Yeah mike59 you’re a dick. How dare you provide an outlet for this type of life-saving information.
Ps. I tapered my 3mg of clonazepam 0.5 mg at a time over 2.5 months and then went 1/8 mg per week for 4 weeks to get off of the last half mg. I was on it for over half a decade every day. When I found benzobuddies last year I was traumatized for a second time in my life. I’m glad I was blessed enough to be a naturally critical thinker which allowed me to question what I was being taught there as I do most things to the extent in which one day my anxiety and despair suddenly alleviated to a ridiculous degree… almost to the point of euphoria… because I was thinking about some of the realities surrounding what a “hypochondria heaven” of that many people could truly cause in vulnerable people and realized some of the things I’ve mentioned in this post… and thus the nightmare world had an escape. I wasn’t doomed. I then punched in what I thought of benzobuddies to see if ANYONE noticed the flaw in these benzo forums (I’m not even getting into the fact that a lot of people that are prescribed benzos ARE mentally ill… and a lot of said mentally ill people ARE on benzobuddies. You will never see them contemplating whether or not someone should stay on their meds. How does this stuff not JUMP OUT AT EVERYONE?!” and when I did that I found this site ran by one “Mike Fifty-Nine”. After googling that handle I immediately found a hate site directed towards him threatening real life harm on the man behind the username? Because he’s doing this!
I’m ending this for the sake of the attention-spans of potential readers/lurkers with the assumption that my point has been made clear to anyone that is capable of thinking on a level that is not “absolutely moronic”. I don’t mean to be hostile but are there really only ~6 people in the world that are;
1. Aware of benzobuddies or similar sites.
2. Capable of understanding this?! Seriously?
TL:DR – Take some d-amphetamines and try again. I’m not catering to people who can’t be bothered to read what I took the time to write with good intentions towards the very people that would be most likely to criticize the validity of what I’m saying and my motives for typing it. What a sad and frustrating state of affairs. Someone read this… and do something about the absolutely ludicrous existence of “benzo support forums” under the premise that it is QUITE OBVIOUS how they do more harm than good?
There. I tried. Let’s see if it was worth it. (I doubt it.) If anyone doubts the validity of what I’m saying still after reading this post I can keep going. I could specify on literally every quote on that poster up above and logically spell out why it’s representative of benzobuddies causing more harm than good (by far) and I still wouldn’t be 10% through making every point that I could brainstorm to back up my opinion (facts) surrounding BB and similar sites.