Chris Cornell started abusing illegal drugs at age 12 but cult blames benzos for his death

“We were all selling drugs by the time we were 12, or doing them… pot or pills or anything that was easily available.” – Chris Cornell, 1994 Rolling Stone interview

How can we get this message of benzo dangers out? Soundgarden - Cornell- Ativan
« on: May 19, 2017, 01:42:27 pm »

[Buddie]

Lawyer Kirk Pasich said Cornell, a recovering addict, had a prescription for Ativan, which he said has a range of side effects, including suicidal thoughts.

Major side effects associated with Ativan use include confusion, depression, and memory loss, according to AmericanAddictionCenters.org.

I would suspect he was addicted to ativan and didn’t know how he was going to beat the dependency. Wife said he took a few extra before concert.

USA does not take Benzo addiction seriously. Only opiod.

Endless taper pushes addict over the edge

Screaming out in mental agony
« on: May 13, 2017, 10:54:21 pm »

[Buddie]

I don’t know what happened to me today but the mental tension got so much, I just screamed in agony, begging God to take me…I just cried hysterically pleading for relief and release from this horrible, painful agony….Need help but there’s no help

RESCUE DOSE HELL

F*ing Rescue Dose
« on: April 08, 2017, 01:24:49 pm »

[Buddie]

The past week since CT has been going pretty well considering…up until 2 nights ago. My husband surprised me with a 3rd year wedding anniversary to the beach. Getting out of my environment was great as well as the sun and sand.

HOWEVER, first night I get hit with insomnia for the first time since tapering/CT. Falling asleep wasn’t the issue, but I woke up at 3:30 AM and for the life of me, could not go back to sleep.

Same thing last night…fell asleep about midnight to wake up at 3:30 AM and lay here trying everything to go back to sleep…fail. Then once I got up, the nausea hit, upset bowels, pouring sweat, then freezing…body temp back and forth totally crazy. Unfortunately, I still had my pills in my purse and broke down and took a rescue dose for the first time. I am SO disappointed. Maybe if I weren’t on this trip, I could’ve rode it out. But I don’t want to ruin the trip.

What’s strange is the rescue dose did nothing for relief and actually seemed to amp up the sweating/chills/freezing body temp symptoms. Why would it have the reverse effect like that?

Benzo Buddies pothead loves grass, “super sad” not to be smoking it anymore, swears Klonopin takes edge off marijuana-induced panic attacks

Re: Can marijuana help through benzo withdrawal?
« Reply #124 on: March 30, 2017, 12:26:47 am »

[Buddie]

Marijuana elevates heart rate and therefore can trigger a panic attack. I was a daily pot smoker and 90 percent of the times I was great except for random bug outs. Klonopin took that edge off. Then when I was tapering in the fall I got massive attacks every time I smoked. My cold turkey was so bad in January I didn’t even bother trying it. I smoked one little hit the other night and my heart went[…]. I hear what you are saying about being hungry prior to smoking and how it can cause some anxiety that’s a real thing. But I don’t think pot is useful for benzo withdrawals. I love marijuana and I’m super sad to not be smoking it anymore. I don’t think it’s harmful, but I’d rather avoid a panic attack or chest discomfort. I may try some edibles at some point. I researched this to death because I so miss smoking it but from everything I’ve read it doesn’t seem conducive to the brain healing post benzos. If you try and it works for you congrats. Let me know how it goes. Lol

PROFESSIONAL VICTIM RAGE

Seen elsewhere:

Using the word addiction to describe benzo injury blames the patients inherently. So easy to say dependent.
For those who feel they did suffer with both — then just write both, and explain what they both mean.
Not complicated. Every time you lean on addiction incorrectly or singularly it’s making it look like abuse and compulsion are the reason we got sick. Not helpful and completely infuriating at this point.

BALA vs. Benzo Buddies knife fight

new bill that can harm us - action needed
« on: March 19, 2017, 04:10:10 pm »

[Buddie]

One new bill has passed the house that will make it even harder than it is now to sue a pharmaceutical company for an injury. Another is coming behind it. It is important we contact the Senators and stop this. Write to your senators (Everyone has two) via this link about HR 985 or CALL THEM! Then write to or call your House Rep about HR 1215 They hate phone calls because they actually have to respond with more than a form letter. No democrat has voted for this bill, so focus on republicans. https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

H.R. 985, the 2017 Fairness in Class Action Litigation Act, aims to put more obstacles in the way of plaintiffs/victims who seek justice. This justice-reform bill is a gift to the pharmaceutical industry, and other big corporations that hurt citizens (like big banks, big agriculture, big chemical, big oil etc.) from Congress men and women who receive millions of dollars in donations from those industries. (PASSED HOUSE)

HR 1215 “Protecting Access to Care Act of 2017.” H.R. 1215 eliminates the rights of people harmed by medical professionals. It rigs the system, making it nearly impossible for injured victims to pursue lawsuits by imposing harsh time limits on lawsuits, denying the right to a trial by jury, limiting certain damages to $250,000 (even in states where such limits are unconstitutional), and protecting those who prescribe dangerous drugs and who hurt people with dangerous medical devices. (HAS NOT PASSED HOUSE YET – CONTACT YOUR HOUSE REP)

Re: new bill that can harm us - action needed
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 10:19:02 pm »

[Buddie]

That’s fucked up.

Re: new bill that can harm us - action needed
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2017, 02:12:22 am »

[Buddie]

I read the bill.

I don’t see how it creates any hardship for folks that have been harmed by medicines of med providers.

Re: new bill that can harm us - action needed
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 02:41:01 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on March 20, 2017, 02:12:22 am
I read the bill.

I don’t see how it creates any hardship for folks that have been harmed by medicines of med providers.

I’m not exactly what bill you read. My spouse, who is an attorney and policy expert, read it and declared it is dangerous tort reform designed to greatly harm victims of medical malpractice. It essentially restricts the ability for victims to be compensated or to hold hospitals, incompetent doctors, nursing homes and pharmaceutical companies responsible for harming patients. All this bill does is line the pockets of big business and deprive the most needy access to fair compensation.

Call those republican lawmakers to help stop this onerous legislation.

Re: new bill that can harm us - action needed
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2017, 03:08:00 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on March 20, 2017, 02:41:01 am
Quote from: [Buddie] on March 20, 2017, 02:12:22 am
I read the bill.

I don’t see how it creates any hardship for folks that have been harmed by medicines of med providers.

I’m not exactly what bill you read. My spouse, who is an attorney and policy expert, read it and declared it is dangerous tort reform designed to greatly harm victims of medical malpractice. It essentially restricts the ability for victims to be compensated or to hold hospitals, incompetent doctors, nursing homes and pharmaceutical companies responsible for harming patients. All this bill does is line the pockets of big business and deprive the most needy access to fair compensation.

Call those republican lawmakers to help stop this onerous legislation.

This is the bill I read (as referenced in the original post)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1215/text

I see none of the “dangers” you mention, but I do see, for example, some of the following language:

“…nothing in this Act shall limit a claimant’s recovery of the full amount of the available economic damages,

“…the court shall supervise the arrangements for payment of damages to protect against conflicts of interest that may have the effect of reducing the amount of damages awarded that are actually paid to claimants. In particular, in any health care lawsuit in which the attorney for a party claims a financial stake in the outcome by virtue of a contingent fee, the court shall have the power to restrict the payment of a claimant’s damage recovery to such attorney, and to redirect such damages to the claimant based upon the interests of justice and principles of equity.

No provider of collateral source benefits shall recover any amount against the claimant or receive any lien or credit against the claimant’s recovery or be equitably or legally subrogated to the right of the claimant in a health care lawsuit involving injury or wrongful death.”

Sounds to me that it protects harmed individuals from predatory attorneys.

Re: new bill that can harm us - action needed
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2017, 03:48:17 am »

[Buddie]

[…],

You can quote whatever you’d like, doesn’t make it true. This is extreme tort reform.

We should all be concerned about this bill and I’ve cut and pasted and article from Law Professors and Federal Courts Blog. I’d like to add, the lawmaker who introduced this bill is none other than Representative Steve King of Iowa. If you don’t know who Steve King is, google his name and “white supremacy.”

Republicans Introduce Sweeping Federalization of Tort Law, Limiting Recovery to Victims
By Patricia W. Moore Share
The Republicans in Congress are intent on expropriating ordinary citizens’ right to sue wrongdoers and allowing corporations and other defendants to violate the law without consequence.

Not content to protect corporations from accountability by hobbling class actions and intimidating plaintiffs’ lawyers with mandatory Rule 11 sanctions, Republicans are going for the full monty: federalized so-called “tort reform” (or what I call “tort elimination”).

Without a hearing, H.R. 1215 (Download HR1215) goes to straight to markup in the House Judiciary Committee this Tuesday. The bill was sponsored by Rep. Steve King (R-IA 4th Dist.).

H.R. 1215 has the Orwellian name of “Protecting Access to Care Act of 2017” (because all Republican-sponsored bills about the civil justice system are named just the opposite of what they would actually do to ordinary citizens). The name of this bill should be “Protecting Doctors and Hospitals from Liability for Wrongdoing and Protecting Insurance Companies from Having to Pay Legitimate Claims.”

Although Republicans supposedly care about “states’ rights,” this bill would eliminate (by preempting) vast swaths of state tort law. Among the many draconian provisions of the bill:

It would impose a uniform 3-year statute of limitations on “health care lawsuits.”* States would be free to have a shorter one, but not a longer one.
It would impose a uniform $250,000 limit on noneconomic damages.
The bill would not limit economic damages, but it would allow states to limit economic damages, noneconomic damages, and the total amount of damages.
Naturally, “the jury shall not be informed about the maximum award for noneconomic damages.” Because then they might at last understand what “tort reform” means.
The bill would eliminate joint-and-several liability. This could deprive an innocent injured person of full compensation, while shielding a wrongdoing defendant from paying for an injury he helped to cause.
“Any party” would be allowed to introduce evidence of collateral source benefits.
An award of future damages over $50,000 would be required, at the request of “any party,” to be paid in periodic payments.
The bill would completely release health care providers (as defined) from any liability in a products liability action for prescribing a product approved by the FDA.
Finally, no Republican-sponsored civil justice bill would be complete without denigrating plaintiffs’ attorneys and making it even more uneconomical for plaintiffs’ attorneys to represent clients. This bill goes so far as to call the payment to attorneys of an agreed-upon fee a “conflict of interest.” The bill would give the court the power to restrict a contingent fee. And “in no event shall” the contingent fee exceed 40% of the first $50,000 recovered, 33-1/3% of the next $50,000, 25% of the next $500,000, and 15% of any amount in excess of $600,000.

So now the federal government would be dictating to the states what attorneys’ fees they could allow. Those limits would apply even in settlement, mediation, or arbitration.

Really, guys? This bill isn’t even getting a hearing? Maybe to talk about its practical elimination of citizens’ ability to sue or the fact that the bill is a gift to the insurance industry? Maybe to talk about the experience that many states, swept up in “tort reform” over the last several decades, have had with similar provisions (many of which have been held unconstitutional)? How about the fact that the bill slavishly follows the positions of the American Tort Reform Association and the shadowy American Legislative Exchange Council?

H.R. 1215 joins five other bills introduced in the past few weeks that tilt the table in favor of corporate defendants in litigation. Is there any item on the corporate defense wish list that we haven’t seen introduced in Congress yet?

It is possible, though, that this bill could have one positive effect. It may induce doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies who currently refuse to participate in federal programs to do so, based upon the limited liability the bill would ensure.

*Definition: “The term ‘health care lawsuit’ means any health care liability claim concerning the provision of goods or services for which coverage was provided in whole or in part via a Federal program, subsidy or tax benefit, or any health care liability action concerning the provision of goods or services for which coverage was provided in whole or in part via a Federal program, subsidy or tax benefit, brought in a State or Federal court or pursuant to an alternative dispute resolution system, against a health care provider regardless of the theory of liability on which the claim is based . . .” This would presumably include Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act.

February 26, 2017 in Current Affairs, In the News, State Courts | Permalink | Comments (2)

Re: new bill that can harm us - action needed
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2017, 03:55:53 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on March 20, 2017, 03:48:17 am
[…],

You can quote whatever you’d like, doesn’t make it true. This is extreme tort reform.

But what I’m quoting is the actual language contained HB 1215.

Re: new bill that can harm us - action needed
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2017, 04:01:03 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on March 20, 2017, 03:55:53 am
Quote from: [Buddie] on March 20, 2017, 03:48:17 am
[…],

You can quote whatever you’d like, doesn’t make it true. This is extreme tort reform.

But what I’m quoting is the actual language contained HB 1215.

So what! I posted a legal analysis by someone who cares about justice. ?

Addict “using substances never intended for human consumption” but blames benzos for brain damage

What else could this be? + update/doubts
« on: March 02, 2017, 08:31:38 am »

[Buddie]

I feel like a walking nuclear power station in meltdown now. I have SO many severe neurological symptoms now that I am starting to doubt it is Benzo related anymore. I’m not saying this is the case for everyone else, but because I was using substances that were never intended for human consumption, and because there are rare neurological conditions such as Neuromyotonia in my family, I am going to tell the doctor today about all of it. I could have been gulping down poison or some kind of chemical neurotoxins for three years, who knows. I am a stupid idiot, I choked down dozens of those shitty blue ‘pellets’ an hour at some points. I did taper, but I had to taper very fast for the dose, with no medical assistance and a bunch of threats.

I also face the stigma that cloaks any kind of addiction, which frightens me because if I do land up being referred on for some investigations, it may cloud people’s judgement and I’ll just be accused of drug seeking again. This also excludes me from any kind of pain management too. I was in bed for a week last month (even more so than usual) with my period. I was delirious from the pain, felt like someone was repeatedly winding me and tearing my insides up with razors, couldn’t even speak or sit up, just yelp and whimper when the pain and buzzing tore through my insides (buzzing moves into my pelvic area when I get my period). All I managed was the odd 10 minute crawl to the bathroom to almost vomit (never did thankfully). If I stood up, I started seeing stars & darkness and started passing out. It was just me and the easily level 10 pain, in a little bubble of whimpering mess. All this is coming again around the 8th, so not long now!!!!. 
Try being an addict and getting any kind of pain addressed, it’s not going to happen, been there, tried it. Nobody will even investigate Endometriosis with me, probably because they think I’m after pain meds.

Another thing that makes me strongly suspect something else may be at play now is my lack of apparently very common psychological sxs like panic, terror, severe anxiety etc. All the info I have dug up suggests these are more prevalent than all the physical sxs combined. I don’t even have the classic one, Insomnia (I have totally the opposite, extreme exhaustion and inability to move). I haven’t read a single report that has been totally devoid of these mental symptoms. Even if I have a ‘window’ that for me only means a lessening of a couple of symptoms for a few hours, my most severe ones like burning skin, pain, neuropathy and internal vibrations never, ever go away. I imagine people with a variety of neurological conditions also have ‘good days’ where some of their sxs lessen, that pattern is not uncommon for any illness or condition, from flu to brain injuries. I think I was in such a fogged, addled state on Benzos that I ignored my deteriorating health and let something creep in. 

I need some form of resolution before this illness brings on the psych sxs I’ve so far escaped. I feel sort of blessed to have escaped the brunt of the psychological aspect of WD, specially given it certainly seems the worst and most distressing part to many people here. A lot of people also seem to be over the physical, which in withdrawal seems far more prevalent in acute than months out, and are now engaged in a mainly mental climb out of this mess. You can to a certain degree negate the mental aspects with many different coping strategies, not to downplay this aspect of withdrawal at ALL so please don’t think that.
I have suffered ongoing mental health issues such as anxiety (which Benzos quadrupled for me!) all my life. I manage these the same way as I always have. No amount of psychological intervention will negate physical illness though, and I am very, very unwell. It feels like my body is rotting, slowly but surely rotting like a zombie in the Walking Dead (I love that show! lol). I am losing not only weight, but muscle mass too, all my muscles are atrophying. I look like a Walking Dead extra too, my skin is ghost white, my eyes look like someone thumbed them three inches into my head, I am a mess. I simply cannot carry on this way, something has to give.

I am seeing the doctor today and I will be telling him about the family history and all my symptoms. I am really wondering if Benzos just opened the door, fried my CNS and allowed something to take hold. I will of course say I noticed all these sxs once I stopped using Benzos, but I must also take into account the fact Benzos may have been covering something up. They may have reduced both the symptoms of such a condition, and my ability to recognize it.

There are factors for me that point to this being far more than just withdrawal now. Some of my symptoms are above and beyond anything I’ve researched on Benzo withdrawal, and some don’t fit the bill at all.

My internal vibrations/tremoring is so severe now that it rules every last second of my life. I can’t stand, sit, walk or anything with any degree of comfort because it quickly turns to numbness and neuropathy if anything makes contact with my body such as a seat or if I lean against something. I have never, ever heard of this being so extreme or prevalent in WD from any drug. This symptom alone feels like it causes many sxs, and if I could get rid if it, I would get rid of them too. I feel like an alcoholic in acute inside. I wish I was in a way, it seems alcoholics have done the DTs in a few days and are basically ok physically a couple of weeks out. I am still very much ready to accept I may have something other than Benzo WD now though. I haven’t touched a Benzo for 5 months, I know I am over acute, but my body is severely damaged. My brain appears to have scraped through and continues to improve all the time, but having a functioning brain in a broken body is the worst thing any human can possibly experience.

I am so sick now I would not be surprised if I am not sent straight up to the hospital for some urgent tests today. My long suffering husband was a couple of weeks ago, because to top all of this off, he has both Cauda Equina Syndrome (neurological spinal condition), he also has a swollen calf muscle from a suspected partial tendon rupture. They had to rule out DVT. He’s had two normal D Dimer tests, so that’s one thing it’s not. I want to help him with this as much as I can but I am bedridden and extremely unwell. Everything is too much now. Many of my ancestors were tortured and killed in German extermination camps during WWII, and somehow many also survived and told their horrendous stories, so maybe, just maybe, if a human being can survive something as atrocious as that, I will survive this?. I am ready to accept the worst though. I have forgotten what it’s like to wake up and feel ‘well’, I don’t even know what ‘well’ is anymore. I get very upset when I see someone jogging or cycling or jumping around, because I can barely lift my arms above my head. I feel like it’s time to ask for something like a mobility scooter or a f*cking wheelchair. Pardon my language but I’ve had enough of my torture chamber body.

I can deal with this very real possibility, even if whatever it is is going to kill me, fine, just tell me what it is because if something’s going to kill me, I want to get acquainted with it first, please don’t shoot me in the back.

Last off, if anyone suggests I ever reinstate, I will give it some serious consideration because I have reached the end of my rope now, out of slack, no more room for movement in my little box.

« Last Edit: March 02, 2017, 09:09:23 am by [Buddie] »

RAHKE’S RAMBLINGS REVISITED

Flick

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #210 on: Today at 01:03:10 PM »

He detests plenty of others here besides befuddled, Carl and me .  funny how much Zoe posts and sounds like Mike 59{although I know she is not a sock}  Mike posts about others here{not much about Zoe to speak of though, now that is amusing} he will have a riot with this thread with people talking about him though, being  a “legend in his own mind”   So , yes , his influence was so dark on this forum , that the echo and stench is still carrying through some, esp. since he copies and pastes a lot here on his own silly blog .  “C”[Mike that is} does all the childlike art work.

Not sure why I would be “one of the most hated ” here.  except maybe by screamin mimi and Zoe because I worked so hard and long to expose the truth of the trolling and troll here.  I would say the place is a heck of a lot more peaceful now, except for a lingering sock here and there stirring up some silly arguments over herbs and vitamins and so forth.

it is a truth and a fact that Zoe was one of the most vociferous and main supporters of the troll Mike 59 and his trolling activities here. if that makes me hated for pointing out the truth, then so be it.  You can’t be loved by all the people all the time.  Zoe has said that she would always back Mikey up, “no matter what”   sheesh, stop backing him up already now.

The real fact of the matter about all of this, is that a very hugely negative thing happened on this forum over a very extended period of time that hurt several people , many of whom are gone now.  that was the dark trolling and lying and deception of Mike 59.   No one believed me when I pointed it out for many a long months.   I was constantly attacked , not only by the troll , but also by his “friends”   , the sock puppets “C”, “James” and “Mark 49” and also by some of the women supporters and enablers like Zoe{the main one} and also Screaming Mimi and Louisa to a lesser degree.  {Louisa yes was a huge supporter of Mike 59}

Some people certainly do have selective or just poor memories.    By the way, I have given the original poster, Duneplanet ,  some support and the best advice I know on this thread. I did not hijack the thread at all.    The troll did.   he is still active after all is said and done.  Flick


on 1.25mg klon 2 years crossed to 25mg val been tapering 9 months down to 13 and suffering my butt off cutting .5mg every 12 to 14 days down to 11mg. had a good 2 months of less depression and more energy crashing again now  sedation and depression back plus fear and anxiety lots of fun now at 6mg using liquid daily titration and doing much better at 5 now and holding due to sx 1.5mg and cutting .5mg a month done in 3 or 4 more months .3mg now done in 5 weeks  finished taper of 2.5 years on Nov 23 08  am four months off and in the process of healing yet

Befuddled

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #211 on: Today at 01:06:36 PM »

Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 12:42:44 PM

Jim, i hope you Carl and Flick are happy. 

You have become the 3 most hated posters on this forum.

My 80year old father is my main concern right now.

You have made this beloved forum the laughing stock of the benzo community.

You 3 have proven that it is acceptable to use this forum as a place to destroy and hurt people.

You have exceeded the nastiness and down right dirtiness of your so called torturer.  It will not be forgotten soon, by anyone here.  You got your pound of flesh, enjoy it.

I see clearly now why mike59 has ear marked the three of you as people to detest.  You all must be so proud.

And how do you thing we liked you enabling the detestable stuff that Mike59 did here? Instead of apologizing for supporting him, you are trying to paint us as villains.  that is unfair, Zoe. If you avoid starting drama, I will be more than happy to not speak up. I came to this forum in June, and almost right away Mike 59 , you and a few others ganged up on me.  If you show me you are different, I will be glad to accept that .  I am friendly by nature, and this petty arguing increases my anxiety.But, I , unlike you am not over the wd yet.  I need this place, jsut like I have since June when I found myself attacked by the troll Mike59, and you and several troll enablers. JIM


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

zoe123

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #212 on: Today at 01:09:57 PM »

this is all paranoid dellusion on both your parts.

all of it.

you are both very sick

i feel sorry for you.


Klonopin 6 plus years.. Up to 4mgs.  Dry cut to 2mgs, water titrated to 1.5mgs, cross to 30mgs of valium, sick, cut to 17.5 mgs sick, updosed to 20mgs, sick.  Detox 9days.  Off Nov27th 2009.  Not sick anymore
You must do the thing you think you cannot do.  ERAshton Manual  http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzcha03.htmWater Titraiton Method  http://benzowithdrawal.com/forum/index.php?topic=11.0http://www.benzodocs.com/converter.php?act=convert“There is no coming to consciousness without pain.”
Carl Gustav Jung quote

Heather

 

 

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #213 on: Today at 01:37:33 PM »

Zoe does not deserve this.  Stop it.

Reinstated ’07 after cold-turkeyed by doctor from 2 mgs Klonopin. Previously other doctors wreaked havoc with me re the benzos.  Began tapering from 41 mgs valium Sept ’07.  Benzo free 9 April ’09.   Tramadol free 20 Sept ’09, drug free.   Strong withdrawal symptoms.

Not a doctor, not qualified to give medical advice.

Ashton Manual   http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/contents.htm
Titration   http://benzowithdrawal.com/forum/index.php?topic=11.0
http://benzowithdrawal.com/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl

Flick
Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #214 on: Today at 01:42:14 PM »

Wow, Zoe is either in outer space  or just in “denial”   I won’t say “liar” though   So “Mike 59”,   “C” , “James”  and other socks are all “paranoid delusions” of mine.   uh sure thing.  that is EXACTLY what Mike 59 has always said.  Yep paranoid delusions.  it never happened none of it.   just a figment of my imagination.  now who is really “sick” here? not me.      Flick      Your buddy Screaming Mimi used to say the same hooey too.   talk about mean spirited.   but the truth can’t just be swept under the carpet like Zoe would like to do

Sure she deserves it is she keeps lying through her teeth like this.   to say nothing ever happened here and that it is all a paranoid delusion of mine is beyond lying. it is the sick stuff. perhaps you could go over to mike’s wordpress blog, Heather, and see what kind of fun he is having with yu and your husband, eh? so it never happened? sure thing.  I am not the delusional liar here  so sorry


on 1.25mg klon 2 years crossed to 25mg val been tapering 9 months down to 13 and suffering my butt off cutting .5mg every 12 to 14 days down to 11mg. had a good 2 months of less depression and more energy crashing again now  sedation and depression back plus fear and anxiety lots of fun now at 6mg using liquid daily titration and doing much better at 5 now and holding due to sx 1.5mg and cutting .5mg a month done in 3 or 4 more months .3mg now done in 5 weeks  finished taper of 2.5 years on Nov 23 08  am four months off and in the process of healing yet

duneplanet

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #215 on: Today at 01:50:59 PM »

this topic needs to be closed its giving me a panic attack. ive gotten barely any helpful info and I now know that this site really just seems to be quite unhelpful.(with a few exceptions) thanks

“Why should you want any other
When you’re a world within a world?”Elliott Smithbeen addicted to klonopin when I was 17 for 2 years. healed completely and used benzos a few times a month with no problems after 2 years. got addicted again june 2010, 1 mg of ativan. tapered in july and hopped off .25 valium at the end of september 2010. still wi thdrawing but hoping this withdrawl wont take as long cause I was only on for 3 months.

ForeverTense

 

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #216 on: Today at 01:53:34 PM »

Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 01:09:57 PM

this is all paranoid dellusion on both your parts.

all of it.

you are both very sick

i feel sorry for you.

And how do you thing we liked you enabling the detestable stuff that Mike59 did here? Instead of apologizing for supporting him, you are trying to paint us as villains.  that is unfair, Zoe. If you avoid starting drama, I will be more than happy to not speak up. I came to this forum in June, and almost right away Mike 59 , you and a few others ganged up on me.  If you show me you are different, I will be glad to accept that .  I am friendly by nature, and this petty arguing increases my anxiety.But, I , unlike you am not over the wd yet.  I need this place, jsut like I have since June when I found myself attacked by the troll Mike59, and you and several troll enablers.  JIM

She likes it Jim. She loves the drama man..Flick has hit the nail right on the head. This is why she hates Flick so much. She knows what he says is the truth and and so do many others. I found this out many months ago when I stopped posting to her blog. Yeah, Mike is still here undercover and he will be here for some time to come but he has to stay in stealth mode to avoid detection. I will admit the forum is a lot more peaceful now with the Mike59 moniker under lock and key. Mike is even bragging @ wordpress about still being here and posting on blogs and other areas of the forum. He is the biggest internet troll I have ever encountered. You will likely never see another one like him again. He is sort of a legend I suppose.
–carl


ForeverTense

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #217 on: Today at 01:56:47 PM »

Quote from: Flick on Today at 01:42:14 PM

Wow, Zoe is either in outer space  or just in “denial”   I won’t say “liar” though   So “Mike 59”,   “C” , “James”  and other socks are all “paranoid delusions” of mine.   uh sure thing.  that is EXACTLY what Mike 59 has always said.  Yep paranoid delusions.  it never happened none of it.   just a figment of my imagination.  now who is really “sick” here? not me.      Flick      Your buddy Screaming Mimi used to say the same hooey too.   talk about mean spirited.   but the truth can’t just be swept under the carpet like Zoe would like to do

Sure she deserves it is she keeps lying through her teeth like this.   to say nothing ever happened here and that it is all a paranoid delusion of mine is beyond lying. it is the sick stuff. perhaps you could go over to mike’s wordpress blog, Heather, and see what kind of fun he is having with yu and your husband, eh? so it never happened? sure thing.  I am not the delusional liar here  so sorry

Yeah, he is really doing a # on Heather over there.
–carl


Befuddled
Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #218 on: Today at 02:07:25 PM »

Quote from: ForeverTense on Today at 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 01:09:57 PM

this is all paranoid dellusion on both your parts.

all of it.

you are both very sick

i feel sorry for you.

And how do you thing we liked you enabling the detestable stuff that Mike59 did here? Instead of apologizing for supporting him, you are trying to paint us as villains.  that is unfair, Zoe. If you avoid starting drama, I will be more than happy to not speak up. I came to this forum in June, and almost right away Mike 59 , you and a few others ganged up on me.  If you show me you are different, I will be glad to accept that .  I am friendly by nature, and this petty arguing increases my anxiety.But, I , unlike you am not over the wd yet.  I need this place, jsut like I have since June when I found myself attacked by the troll Mike59, and you and several troll enablers.  JIM

She likes it Jim. She loves the drama man..Flick has hit the nail right on the head. This is why she hates Flick so much. She knows what he says is the truth and and so do many others. I found this out many months ago when I stopped posting to her blog. Yeah, Mike is still here undercover and he will be here for some time to come but he has to stay in stealth mode to avoid detection. I will admit the forum is a lot more peaceful now with the Mike59 moniker under lock and key. Mike is even bragging @ wordpress about still being here and posting on blogs and other areas of the forum. He is the biggest internet troll I have ever encountered. You will likely never see another one like him again. He is sort of a legend I suppose.
–carl

Yes, It would really be very hard to imagine a bigger forum troll.  I suppose those who had a need to vent behind the troll felt safe as long as he ran the show here.  Now the game’s over for now, with that kind of lying and attacking.  I offered the olive branch to Zoe, but she does not want to accept that.  I think she really resents us standing up to the big troll, and his subsequent banishment from this forum.  The serpent was cast out of the garden.  Now he is angry, and writhing in impotent rage, taking cheap potshots at those he formerly attacked on the forum.  If Zoe and others want to rewrite history about Mike59 and how others here helped him attack, they can .  That is their revision of true history.  As far as the Mike59 troll activity it is still here.  he has several sock accounts and a few people who want to impress Mike59 left for whatever reason.  Mikey you are an impotent little troll, and this place is better for being free of the name brand Mike59.  It will take a long time to build up another persona of that dimension here.  Sock puppets lie CharR and M49 don’t hack it.


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

Julie51

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #219 on: Today at 02:08:43 PM »

Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 04:24:13 AM

no flick it was not he who called my parents,  i know who it was

you would be surprised, good try,

i do not know what you are talking about,  me being attacked, enabling trolls etc etc

you all need to grow up,  you guys are sick beyond words,

you are making everyone here miserable

Julie apologized to me via pm,   but she could not bring herself to do it publically,  i dont’ get it.  what is wrong with all of you.

Zoe, please don’t say that “I couldn’t bring myself to apologize publicly.” You Pmed me that I hurt your feelings and I pmed back, “I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.” End of story.  I was simply answering your PM. Do you want me to say publicly that I am sorry you feel hurt? Ok, I’ll say it. I am sorry you feel hurt.  But frankly, what did I do personally to hurt you? Please copy and paste my “hurtful” comments because I reread everything I wrote on this thread and can’t find one hurtful comment I made to you or to anyone else here. I feel I am very diplomatic in my posts. I did disagree (politely, I feel) with Mark, but I never said anything cruel or mean.
Anytime anyone tells me I hurt their feelings, I always apologize. I don’t like people to be hurt, especially if I did something to cause it. But please be fair, What did I really do or say that was hurtful? If anyone out there can find a mean post of mine in the public forum,  I would like to know about it.

I make it my policy to try to disagree with people on the issues without attacking someone personally. Please, please copy and paste my “hurtful” post to you. I am dying to read it because I simply can’t find it and doubt it exists.


prescribed 3 mg ativan in Aug. 2008/tapered off ativan by Oct. 6, 2008. Became dependent on ambien between Nov, 15, 2008 and Jan. 20, 2009. Dropped the ambien and switched to valium on Jan. 20, 2009. Tapered off valium over three months and became benzo free on April 22, 2009.

Befuddled

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #220 on: Today at 02:14:51 PM »

Quote from: ForeverTense on Today at 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: Flick on Today at 01:42:14 PM

Wow, Zoe is either in outer space  or just in “denial”   I won’t say “liar” though   So “Mike 59”,   “C” , “James”  and other socks are all “paranoid delusions” of mine.   uh sure thing.  that is EXACTLY what Mike 59 has always said.  Yep paranoid delusions.  it never happened none of it.   just a figment of my imagination.  now who is really “sick” here? not me.      Flick      Your buddy Screaming Mimi used to say the same hooey too.   talk about mean spirited.   but the truth can’t just be swept under the carpet like Zoe would like to do

Sure she deserves it is she keeps lying through her teeth like this.   to say nothing ever happened here and that it is all a paranoid delusion of mine is beyond lying. it is the sick stuff. perhaps you could go over to mike’s wordpress blog, Heather, and see what kind of fun he is having with yu and your husband, eh? so it never happened? sure thing.  I am not the delusional liar here  so sorry

Yeah, he is really doing a # on Heather over there.
–carl

Yes, and it is a crying shame , Carl.  Heather is a very nice intelliget lady who has helped many on this forum.   JIM


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

Flick

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #221 on: Today at 02:19:36 PM »

Quote from: duneplanet on Today at 01:50:59 PM
this topic needs to be closed its giving me a panic attack. ive gotten barely any helpful info and I now know that this site really just seems to be quite unhelpful.(with a few exceptions) thanks

Sorry, Duneplanet.  I think yu know what you have to do to help yourself the best you can anyhow. What you are going through and will still go through for some time to come is very hard and frustrating, since nothing seems to help much. but I bet if you can stay off the benzos and just maintain the best you can, you will get better   /

Here is a good example .  A wonderful British woman , who was a very long time member here and poster , was “mentally ill” and on many psyche drugs for many years , something like 20. I mean harsh psyche drugs besides just benzos. she got off benzos and all the other drugs too eventually and went through a long period of pain and fear and difficulty and eventually has healed up. she does not post anymore , but her last posts over the last months she was here were great.  she has been off ALL drugs for years now and is happy and doing well.  See what you have to look forward too if you hang in there and stay strong?  and you are still young yet. she was much much older when she started on this hard journey.

Don’t worry about this thread either.  anytime anyone starts posting anything about any natural approach to healing , the troll or one of his fake people attacks it and tries to destroy the thread.   it has been going on for a long time here now. try not to pay any attention{hard I know} /  just do what you think is best for you.  Flick


on 1.25mg klon 2 years crossed to 25mg val been tapering 9 months down to 13 and suffering my butt off cutting .5mg every 12 to 14 days down to 11mg. had a good 2 months of less depression and more energy crashing again now  sedation and depression back plus fear and anxiety lots of fun now at 6mg using liquid daily titration and doing much better at 5 now and holding due to sx 1.5mg and cutting .5mg a month done in 3 or 4 more months .3mg now done in 5 weeks  finished taper of 2.5 years on Nov 23 08  am four months off and in the process of healing yet

Befuddled

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #222 on: Today at 02:21:21 PM »

Quote from: Julie51 on Today at 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 04:24:13 AM

no flick it was not he who called my parents,  i know who it was

you would be surprised, good try,

i do not know what you are talking about,  me being attacked, enabling trolls etc etc

you all need to grow up,  you guys are sick beyond words,

you are making everyone here miserable

Julie apologized to me via pm,   but she could not bring herself to do it publically,  i dont’ get it.  what is wrong with all of you.

Zoe, please don’t say that “I couldn’t bring myself to apologize publicly.” You Pmed me that I hurt your feelings and I pmed back, “I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.” End of story.  I was simply answering your PM. Do you want me to say publicly that I am sorry you feel hurt? Ok, I’ll say it. I am sorry you feel hurt.  But frankly, what did I do personally to hurt you? Please copy and paste my “hurtful” comments because I reread everything I wrote on this thread and can’t find one hurtful comment I made to you or to anyone else here. I feel I am very diplomatic in my posts. I did disagree (politely, I feel) with Mark, but I never said anything cruel or mean.
Anytime anyone tells me I hurt their feelings, I always apologize. I don’t like people to be hurt, especially if I did something to cause it. But please be fair, What did I really do or say that was hurtful? If anyone out there can find a mean post of mine in the public forum,  I would like to know about it.
I make it my policy to try to disagree with people on the issues without attacking someone personally. Please, please copy and paste my “hurtful” post to you. I am dying to read it because I simply can’t find it and doubt it exists.

See what we’ve been up against? Zoe plants these mysterious hints of something going on , that seem to exist only in her mind.  I like Zoe, and wish her well, but she seems to be addicted to high drama.  Is she fooling herself or trying to fool others?   That remains an open question , as far as I’m concerned.      JIM


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

Mark49

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #223 on: Today at 02:22:07 PM »

Quote from: Heather on Today at 01:37:33 PM
Zoe does not deserve this.  Stop it.

I was on 14 mg valium equiv. in September 2009. I quit c/t ativan, valium, ambien, lunesta, and 5 other drugs for insomnia. Entered into living hell for 6 days! I then reinstated/crossed over to 5 mg liquid diazepam. That was too low, I did not know any better, and then I cut too fast down to 4.5 mg in 6 days-don’t do this!
I jumped from .14 mg V on August 2, 2010. I cut .12 every 7 days. I tapered for 40 weeks. FREEDOM!!!!“Physicians pour drugs of which they know little to cure diseases of which they know less, into humans of whom they know nothing.” Voltaire (1694-1778)

duneplanet

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #224 on: Today at 02:24:10 PM »

this is all truly pathetic I mean who gives a s**t a lot of us are losing our f**king minds and going into psychosis and everyones perpetuating this petty drama crap.the point of this topic was to get help for sleep cause im going crazy and you people really arent helping anymore

just saw your post flick thank you/ that gives me some hope. I wish i never got into this pharmacuitcal mess I woyuld have eventually learned to cope on my o wn. I could have easily survived on kava kava and kratom everyday, maybe some p henibut a few tiems a week but I had to trust doctors and get put on all this crap that i cant get off. Sometimes I feel like i should just go back on benzos cause it really doesnt matter. the typing is so lud that it hurts my ears. i need sleep


“Why should you want any other
When you’re a world within a world?”Elliott Smithbeen addicted to klonopin when I was 17 for 2 years. healed completely and used benzos a few times a month with no problems after 2 years. got addicted again june 2010, 1 mg of ativan. tapered in july and hopped off .25 valium at the end of september 2010. still wi thdrawing but hoping this withdrawl wont take as long cause I was only on for 3 months.