“according to her son, John, she is in failing health and probably won’t survive..she is now 88 years old…she deserves a sainthood..”
“I will probably cause a storm of protest but I have got to say that although I have gained so much support and love through this group, I have also been scared witless. So many do’s and dont’s. I’ve been afraid to eat the foods I love. Afraid to take a supplement. Afraid to have a glass of wine with a meal. Afraid to take a pill when I felt I needed to. I felt inadequate because I couldn’t cope with all the w/d symptoms and yet others were soldiering on after years of suffering. I was terrified at the symptoms people had and I identified with them. Every symptom I got I blamed on valium. I reached a point where I realised valium was ruling my life as it had when I was in the depths of addiction. I decided to say ‘no more’. Yes… I’ve taken an antidepressant. I’ve slept for the first time in months and feel a whole lot better. I’ve had a glass of my favourite wine with a meal. Wonderful... I’m living again. I had no adverse reaction. I’ve had ice cream, cake, chocolate. No reaction. I have some quality in life. I’m not sitting waiting for the day I might wake up and think I feel better today. I might be too old to enjoy it. It might never happen. We are all so very different. Please find your own path. Trial and error. You may not have to give up all the things that help to make life a bit more worthwhile. I’m hoping this helps someone.”
One cult member's response:
“While I understand you saying you were afraid of many things you have been cautioned about here, some stories are very scary. We as admins have to walk a tight rope of not wanting to hurt or discourage anyone, but for the greater good of the community here we must also take a stand against wd antagonists. But I’m sorry I just have to say something here… while everyone is different, it is extremely ridiculous to think that you are going to heal if you keep throwing gasoline on your recovery. Eating chocolate or drinking caffeine is one thing, but to tell people it is alright to drink and take random valium or anti-depressants is another! This is so completely irresponsible! While you may not feel any ill effects, that does not mean you are not maligning your recovery time. Alcohol is a liquid benzo! It does not make it more innocent because you drink a glass with your dinner. At only 4 months off you are doing a disservice to your recovery, and this is not just my opinion. We can only go by what we have learned and the Ashton Manual was written based on more than 12 years of clinical experience from Dr. Ashton dealing with people in withdrawal and recovery. If you do not want to wait until you are healed to drink that is your business but please to not advocate that this is something everyone should just go ahead and do. Taking extra doses of valium or random anti-depressants are like playing with fire as well.”
Re: Benzo Class Action Lawsuit via Facebook Group « Reply #115 on: July 26, 2017, 06:20:40 pm »
I suppose that this went nowhere?
“277 reports may not be enough!” – panicked Benzo Buddies member
Benzo Buddies claims to have 33,085 members yet can’t rouse a paltry 1% of them to fill out a complaint to the FDA. The tiny, secret Facebook groups have perhaps 2000 members combined (most join multiple groups in order amplify the self-pity they can wallow in everyday as they talk about how bottled water can send them into a wave) but despite hounding by zealots can’t get more than a handful of their members to do this.
The word on the street is that an admin – a very special admin – has been booted from the tiny private club for being negative, bordering on abusive, toward fellow addicts.
I wonder if this palace coup has to do with accusations of Benzodiazepine Information Coalition addict shaming by Benzo Buddies members?
Like the failed owner of Benzo Buddies, BALA is delusional re: active membership i.e. the majority of BALA (or Benzo Buddies) members are not active, don’t do anything except sit and moan 24/7 about how doctors fucked them over.
BALA is even giving away money and still can’t get more than a handful of addicts (less than 1% of their tiny membership) to fill out the form.
I wonder if, out of desperation, the BALA gurus will start sending in fake complaints to the FDA?
Welcome to the real world kooks. Stay on your meds.
Re: Benzodiazepine information coalition: does this place exist? « Reply #42 on: June 23, 2017, 01:34:52 pm »
wanted to ask you your thoughts about the difference between the benzo’s “withdrawal” damage/injury iatrogenic illness, benzo discontinuation syndrome or whatever you want to call it and opiate addiction? because i know for me that opiates caused a craving where as i never craved benzos. you know what i mean/ there’s just a difference in these two drugs. i ponder this a lot.
My only experience with opiates has been the few times I have taken hydorcodone or percocet. I remember having this “wow” feeling the first time I took them so I can see how they could rope someone in.
It seems like benzo withdrawal (or whatever you want to call it) is a completely different animal. They don’t create physical cravings for most people but the severity and duration of the damage they cause to the body seems to be worse in general. I wouldn’t want to find myself addicted to opiates but if I could trade that for what I have experienced over the past 6.5 years from benzos I would do it in a heartbeat. At least if the bulk of your problem is staying off the drugs you might have a fighting chance.
Denying that benzos create physical craving in most people is simply addict shaming, […]. It’s intolerance and approaches bigotry. It shuts down conversation about benzos and is seen by many professionals and lay people as denial. Denial is a hallmark of addiction. This conversation is unpopular here and it’s not my fight. My fight is overcoming a lifetime of taking these pills and regaining my life.
Benzo craving is prevalent here at bb’s and can be seen in the vast majority of early posts before people are indoctrinated into the bb’s culture. Even then the veterans display the cravings in many posts but rationalize it away as specific symptoms. Rationalization is another hallmark of addiction.
Addiction doesn’t discriminate. Humans do!
The term addiction fits for most of us. Breaking the symptoms of withdrawal down into minute details is again denial and rationalization best used only in support groups. The broad picture of the minute details supports an addiction definition and paradigm. Post withdrawal syndrome and the time it takes for the small subsection of us to recover is a whole other discussion.
Refusal by some members here to accept that many many people here are addicted despite the overwhelming evidence otherwise shuts down healthy and critical analysis of our issues. I understand why people don’t want to be associated with addiction. But the very nature of being here at bb’s involved in support for getting off benzos suggests we are associated with addiction. That’s how most of the real world understands this.
I agree that the definition af addiction carries with it many awful preconceptions that it shouldn’t, but that definition is embedded into the worldwide human culture. Overcoming those biases held by everyone who is culturally assimilated is a tall task. Overcoming those biases in our worlds cultures changes the conversation for those of us who are trying to recover to something else.
I apologize to anyone that is offended by this post. It’s not my intent to offend but out there in the real world most people I run into only know this as addiction. It’s how they understand the issue.
Addict shaming sucks where ever you find it.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2017, 02:46:26 pm by [Buddie] »
Policy ignores suicide threats
Facebook will allow users to livestream attempts to self-harm because it “doesn’t want to censor or punish people in distress who are attempting suicide”, according to leaked documents.
The documents also tell moderators to ignore suicide threats when the “intention is only expressed through hashtags or emoticons” or when the proposed method is unlikely to succeed.
Any threat to kill themselves more than five days in the future can also be ignored, the files say.
Suicide contagion is the exposure to suicide or suicidal behaviors within one’s family, one’s peer group, or through media reports of suicide and can result in an increase in suicide and suicidal behaviors.