Delirious addict carried thermometer at all times after being brainwashed into believing benzo withdrawal sent his temp to 106°

Re: Do people here have difficulty regulating body temperature.
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2019, 12:57:15 am »


Yes. I struggled to keep my body temp between 95-103 in the beginning. If I went out in the cold it would start to drop below 95 very quickly like in minutes. If I turned on the heat in the car my temp would start climbing. The sky was the limit. I carried a thermometer at all times for safety. My temperature would go to dangerous extremes quickly. I once had a 106 fever from driving in a hot car. I basically had to try to be in a 73 degree room at all times.
No problems with it currently. That symptom is gone.

Ashton devotees add sweating to list of 90,000,000 benzo withdrawal symptoms

The sweats
« on: December 06, 2017, 05:46:20 am »


Does anybody else get terrible sweats while tapering?.. I’ve had them really badly to the point where I’m dripping and have to put a towel on my bed.

Anyone out there in the same boat?.. summer has started here so the heat doesn’t help..


Re: The sweats
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 01:17:41 pm »


Yes, the sweats. Have had this problem for a long time.
Mostly during the nights when I try to sleep.

Wake up in a pool of sweat every night. We have the window open even if it’s winter here in Sweden.
I’m sweating like crazy. It’s a problem since I really need the sleep I can get. As so many of us here do.
I hope it will go away for us. Enough with sxs as it is.

Re: The sweats
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 08:48:58 pm »


When I first started cutting down I got the sweats at night. It was ridiculous… I would wake up and my hair would be soak along with my PJs. I’ve never done that. Always been a cold nature person. So far I haven’t had them anymore.

Re: The sweats
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2017, 09:04:53 pm »


Last night I had really bad sweats! Woke up in the middle of the night and my t-shirt was soaking wet. Had to change my t-shirt and finally fell back asleep. Luckily for the rest of the night, no sweating! Weird!!

Kooks blame high humidity for taper torture

Does High Humidity Make You Feel 10x Worse?
« on: July 31, 2016, 11:00:34 am »


I’m holding my taper in an attempt to stabilize and the last week has been much worse but so has the humidity. I stay inside all day with AC but does anyone know what humidity does to a body on benzos/in withdrawal/unstable?

Re: Does High Humidity Make You Feel 10x Worse?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2016, 12:06:18 pm »


Yes…it happens the same to me. Now in Spain we are hitting 40 degrees (european system)…and with the humidity it’s fucking insane.

I feel it a lot in the legs…and burning feet.

Kooks add bruising to list of 90,000,000 benzo withdrawal symptoms

Anyone else bruising easy?
« on: June 25, 2016, 01:29:16 am »


I have a bruise on my leg from meditating with shoes on all the time. I never bruise even if I get hit hard I don’t bruise. Well now I might .

Is this because my blood is flowing all wacky?

Tufts Medical Center psychiatrist Dr. Edward Silberman: ‘Benzos safer than aspirin’

Abuse may be obscuring other dangers

The war against the opioid epidemic in Massachusetts may be pushing another potential public health crisis into the shadows.

According to research by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, benzodiazepines – a class of anti-anxiety and insomnia drugs, such as Ativan, Klonopin and Xanax – were involved in 31 percent of all opioid-related overdose deaths in 2014.

Benzos, the shorthand name for the drug class, relieve anxiety by slowing the central nervous system. Opioids work on the brain and nervous system in the same way. The combination of the two can severely depress respiratory activity, with life threatening consequences. CDC data from 1999 through 2014 shows that overdose deaths due to benzos has increased 600 percent from 1,135 people in 1999 to 7,945 people in 2014.

An analysis of the CDC data by Dr. Marcus Bachhuber for the American Journal for Public Health, found that between 1996 and 2013, the number of adults filling a benzodiazepine prescriptions increased 67 percent, from 8.1 million to 13.5 million people. And, among people who filled benzo prescriptions, the amount more than doubled between 1996 and 2013, suggesting higher doses per patient. The study also showed that benzo-related deaths rose at a faster rate than both the number of people filling prescriptions or the quantity filled.

State Rep. Paul McMurtry, D-Dedham, has proposed a bill to limit and regulate benzodiazepine prescriptions. A hearing on the proposal held at the Statehouse in April, which included emotional testimony from addicts, survivors and healthcare providers. The bill was sent back to committee on study order and could remain there for months. Fall River Rep. Carole Fiola, who co-sponsored the bill, says the state should be doing more to regulate the drugs. “Massachusetts has always been a leader in many areas of legislation, and we are bringing up a conversation that is important to a lot of people,” Fiola said. “That’s our role and we will continue to gather the facts and research this over the next several months, and see what comes from that.”

Opponents say the threat from benzos is overblown.

Tufts Medical Center psychiatrist Dr. Edward Silberman, who testified against the bill, said benzos are a relatively safe drug. Unless a patient suffers from addiction to other substances as well, benzos can’t do much harm, he said. “These medications, taken alone, are amongst the safest medications that doctors prescribe,” Silberman said. “They’re safer than aspirin. It’s practically impossible to kill yourself by overdosing on benzodiazepines.”

However, Dr. Richard D. Lewis, who has worked in a New Bedford mental health clinic for 20 years, says doctors need to understand the deadly interaction between benzos and opiates. He maintains a blog for an addiction website called Mad in America, where recent post focuses on the deadly mix. “I think this crisis is going pretty much unnoticed,” Lewis said. “I would argue that you can’t solve or make a dent into the opiate crisis without addressing the benzo issue. Lewis says opioid addicts often are given Suboxone or Methadone, which are opiates, themselves. These individuals will, Lewis says, experience anxiety or trouble sleeping, often leading doctors to prescribe benzos. And that, Lewis says, can contribute to opioid overdoses because of the negative interactions of the two drugs. “Benzos and opiates will kill you,” Lewis said. “It’s the synergistic effect of one plus one becomes five.”

Statistics on benzo-related deaths in Massachusetts are hard to come by. Most of the focus by pathologists has been on calculating and tracking opioid deaths. According to Felix Browne, a spokesman for the state Office of Public Safety, statistics for overdose deaths can be misleading. He said cause of death is pulled from death certificates, which can be hastily done. Any conclusive determination in final autopsy reports require a full toxicology screening that can cost upwards of $2,500. The state Medical Examiner’s Office usually doesn’t do such screenings unless there are suspicious circumstances or the family requests it and pays the cost. Final autopsy reports can take from a few months to a few years, due to backlog in cases. Until completed, there’s no way of knowing how much of each drug was in the victim’s system at the time of death.

“The Medical Examiner’s Office has their own way of operating that is very little understood.” Browne said. “Survivors just want to know how their loved one died so they can move on. That’s what the death certificate is for. It’ll say something like ‘acute intoxication’ or ‘cardiac arrest,’ but it’s often more than one substance that’s involved. They don’t know until the full autopsy report is filed.”

For now, it is unlikely any action will be taken on benzos.

Fiola says she hopes the bill will be reconsidered next session. But, Silberman says legislation isn’t the answer. “It’s really very difficult to legislate good medical practice. It’s a little bit like trying to legislate morality. You can have an impact, but it’s using a very broad brush to deal with a problem,” Silberman said. “In medicine, one should think about the individual patient, and one size doesn’t necessarily fit all.”


What´s the deal with our belly?
« on: April 08, 2016, 05:58:08 pm »


I don’t know about you but before withdrawing of benzos, I was in shape and thin. Now, after 11 months of much suffering, just “eatinng and sleeping”, I gained much weight, it seems like all wheigth(fat) that i gained went straight to my belly, my arms and legs, chest and others body areas are still looking thin, and looking at my belly, it looks like it`s swollen as if something was wrong inside, It`s not looking normal, Im thinking about set an appointment with a doctor to see what`s going on
Is there any explanation about why all the wheight i gained went straight to the belly , or why the belly its looking swollen ? please let me know your opinion about this, much appreciate, many thanks, […].

Addict blames pervy doctor for relapse

Well, I'm screwed
« on: March 14, 2016, 03:36:43 pm »


I got a new doctor, an “addicitionologist,” who was supposed to help. He gave me a giant bottle in Feb and said he couldn’t see me until April.

Had a couple triggering events happen (was strangled/beaten last year) and took more benzos than the taper plan. I was sober. I thought I could handle it. I should have given the pills to someone. Since the abuse, I started drinking and no outpatient programs would take me because I was on benzos.

Called doctor and told him what happened. Told him I will run out on Friday and am scared. He told me to call the rehab where he serves as a doctor. Turns out it’s the place they sent me after I went crazy after a 5-day detox at Glenbeigh (they lied on the phone and said they’d continue my slow taper). I was awake for over 2 weeks. I had Cotard’s syndrome. No one believed that it was the benzos.

Heard back from the doctor’s office today. They said they doubt he’ll fill my prescription if I abused them, so advised me to call the rehab place. I called. They said they can’t take me for outpatient unless I’m off benzos. They want me to come in an be detoxed.

My work told me I have no more med leave. I can’t go on med leave or I’ll be fired. This is beside the point that REHABS DO NOT UNDERSTAND BENZO DETOX. They made me crazy and blamed me for it. When I was reinstated on benzos, they thought it was a fucking miracle.

I’m not going through the hell of cold turkey benzo withdrawal again. No one is listening to me. I know that no one will listen to me because they watched me go through withdrawal before and told me “you’ve ruined your insides with drugs” and “this rehab knows what they’re doing”. Meanwhile….

My parents don’t want to help anymore. My friends are sick of hearing about it. Everyone just treats me like a junkie.

I don’t feel like I have any options.

Why don’t people understand that benzos are not like heroin? You don’t just get sick.

I may be an addict, but I NEVER asked to be prescribed these drugs. I never bought them on the street or asked for them by name. I didn’t even know what they were. They were given to me by a doctor because I couldn’t sleep after being sexually assaulted. I thought they were a miracle at the time. They kept upping the dose and upping the dose. Now I’m just an uncooperative junkie.

I don’t feel like fighting anymore.

Re: Well, I'm screwed
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2016, 03:42:58 pm »


Keep up the fight. I know it is hard, but you can do this! I know all about Glenbeigh, as I used to live in Ohio. Went there for an interview and listened to the crap they had to say and left. But the Cleveland Clinic detox was the very worst. I would suggest that you stay away from it. Such a horrible place, with horrible psychs, at least for me. Plus what they charge!

Re: Well, I'm screwed
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2016, 05:27:38 pm »


The other rehab I went to was the Clinic. I did everything they asked and went right back on Klonopin. My experience was a nightmare.

The pervy Doctor Gregory Collins would stare at my chest while he bragged about his writing skills and love of opera. During that time, my boss was asking me out to dinner and I was freaked out because I thought I’d lose my job if I said no. I told Collins that it was really concerning me and his reply? “I don’t see the problem with dating your boss. He seems like a great guy.” (All he knew about my boss was that he had a PhD in a fancy field.) I told the pervy Dr. Collins I was not interested in having dinner with my boss AT ALL and that the pervy Doctor’s views of women in the workplace were antiquated. He then proceeded to make a clerical error and give me a script for half the dosage of librium he actually told me I should be on. I couldn’t function for a week and almost killed myself because I was in so much anguish. When my parents became concerned because I was doing so badly, they wanted to meet with Dr. Collins to discuss my medication. I thought that sounded normal, but when I told him, he thought it was MY idea to bring them in!! He told me I was trying to “get revenge” because I was angry about what he’d said about my boss. Before I left his office, he told me I was full of self-pity and that he was very disappointed in my behavior.

Despite that completely fucked up scenario, I completed the program to the very end. (Because that’s what uncooperative junkies do, right? They spend all their time and money going to a rehab that admitted to a clerical error and under-dosed them?) During the aftercare, the counselor was talking about what happens to your sex life while you’re getting sober. She asked who in the group was sexually active. People raised hands. Then she asked who in the group was married. People raised hands. Then she said “Well, y’all who aren’t married shouldn’t be having sex, so this conversation shouldn’t apply to you.”

No one can tell me I have not tried to get off these drugs using their system. I have literally gone to hell because of these drugs and do not suspect that I’ll survive this upcoming slip through the cracks.

P.s. Someone told me the Pervy Doctor Gregory Collins was charged for malpractice. I wish I could have been part of that suit.

Always there, always watching

MOVED: A very weird thing happened today - saw my post on an anti-BB site
« on: February 23, 2016, 03:39:35 am »


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Cult ghouls devote entire Benzo Buddies thread to talking someone out of going to hospital

Thinking of going to detox
« on: February 15, 2016, 06:31:48 am »
Has anyone done this? any and all comments are welcome.

Lots of people here have tried this, with disastrous results in most cases. I wouldn’t trust this place at all, frankly, because benzo withdrawal/healing (long and slow) and alcohol/hard drug withdrawal/healing (faster and more direct) are nothing alike, and almost all “detox” places are designed for the latter, not the former- no matter what their advertising says. These are money making businesses.

I had a dreadful experience which I wouldn’t recommend to anyone.
  • You are immediately c/t’d off benzos. There is no taper. It’s a cold turkey.
  • You stay in the hospital or facility several days to a few weeks – far less time than is required for healing after a benzo c/t.
  • You are sent home with severe, often unbearable symptoms. In my case, the symptoms were so awful they led to an eventual reinstatement and kindling.
  • There is no follow-up. And for this, you pay many thousands of dollars.
A cold turkey detox can be horrific. I have done three. between them I have had 17 rides in ambulances, 16 in patient psychiatric stays, 1 ride in life flight, dozens of trips to the ER, days in the ICU,

two police rides shackled with leather belts.

I have over 3/4 of a million in doctor bills. Prior to my first detox I had never been to the ER. I had never been in the hospital. I had never had a psychiatric stay, and I had never been in a police car. Stopping suddenly is serious business.

Most of the time a benzo detox is junk.

The place I went to in Houston is called Memorial Hermann PaRC. They cold turkey detoxed me off of Klonopin and it was brutal–extreme anxiety, insomnia, hallucinations, balance issues, lots of physical symptoms and more. They were not benzo savy at all. I was given a different drug cocktail but everyone there attended the same AA based classes everyday. They thought I was being whiny because I felt so bad and wasn’t doing better after a week like all the alcohol patients were. I would never recommend it for benzo withdrawal. They kicked me out after five weeks because my insurance stopped paying. They even cleared me to go back to work immediately. It was extremely rough and only by the grace of God was I able to go back to work and fake my way through each day. Nine months later I’m still having lots of issues with anxiety, depression, cog fog, memory loss, etc…

Don’t do it if you can avoid it!

Common anti-psychiatry archetypes

The anti-psychiatry movement resembles the anti-vaccine movement and HIV/AIDS denialism in many ways. Whereas anti-vaccine cranks claim that vaccine-preventable diseases are not that bad and HIV/AIDS denialists often deny the causal link between HIV and AIDS, anti-psychiatry cranks typically deny the existence of mental conditions outright (claiming they are made up or that they are “natural” states) or blame the individuals for “attracting” the illness into their lives with “too much negative thinking”. All three groups attack the underlying scientific models (e. g. mechanisms for vaccine-induced immunity and herd immunity, that HIV cause a reduction in CD4+ T helper cells, the biological basis and neurological mechanisms of mental conditions), the efficacy of the medical product, pharmaceutical companies, the government and the scientific community.

This post is an attempt to summarize seven of the most common clusters of characteristics, beliefs and approaches taken by various types of anti-psychiatry cranks: the creationist, the alt med zealot, the new age ignoramus, the “sophisticated” mysterian, the selective “skeptic”, the conspiracy lunatic and the scientologist. These archetypes are not based on published scientific studies, but rather on experience with debating anti-psychiatry cranks. Some of them overlap and not all features of a given archetype always occur. An interesting observation is that anti-psychiatry can be found across political, religious and philosophical spectra and divides. Even though a lot of the assertions made and rhetoric deployed is consistent across archetypes, different archetypes have different motivations and a slightly different focus.

The Creationist: the anti-psychiatry creationist represents the worst of two worlds: both a rejection of modern cosmology, geology and biology as well as a rejection of modern neuroscience, psychology and psychiatry. These individuals reject psychiatry and related fields because (1) neuroscience considers the mind to be a function of the brain, which is incompatible with the anti-psychiatry creationist’s faith that an immaterial soul is the entity responsible for the mind and (2) treatments of mental conditions does not involve a consideration of original sin, but focuses on medication and therapy. Although not all creationists are anti-psychiatry, those that are reject additional fields of science in order to keep their religious beliefs afloat. Depending on the individual anti-psychiatry creationist, he or she may reject the existence of mental conditions as medical conditions or go so far as to provide a religious description of mental conditions as demonic possessions or gifts from a deity.

The Alt Med Zealot: the alt med zealot embraces anti-psychiatry because he or she wrongly believes in the efficacy and safety of so-called “alternative” treatments for mental conditions. In reality, these alleged “treatments” are quackery and almost never gives any practically significant benefit above placebo. Most of the time, these individuals accepts the medical reality of mental conditions. However, they tend to shuns positions supported mainstream science, usually by ignorantly dismissing it all by shouting about “evil, multinational pharmaceutical corporations” (apparently without realizing the irony that a lot of “alternative medicine” is being produced and sold by large corporations) and accusing all critics of their beliefs of being pharma shills.

The New Age Ignoramus: although sharing many defining features with the alt med zealot, the new age ignoramus often parrot the law of attraction and wrongly claim that individuals with mental conditions have themselves to blame because they allegedly had too many negative thoughts. Seemingly ignorant about the scientific research on genetic risk factors for mental conditions, the effects of stressful life events and gene-environment interaction, the new age ignoramus rarely accept the medical reality of mental conditions. Instead, they often reject both medication and therapy, suggesting that individuals with mental conditions will attract good things in their life if they just have more positive thoughts.

The “Sophisticated” Mysterian: mysterians are typically non-religious atheists who has a negative visceral and emotional response to the notion that their beliefs, thoughts, feelings and so on are related to the function of a physical brain. The three most common approaches taken by this anti-psychiatry archetype is (1) Appeals to ignorance characterized by “we will never understand human cognitive feature X” were X is love, art appreciation, beauty, consciousness and so on, (2) point out some methodological limitation regarding questions of how the brain generates the mind in an bait-and-switch effort to attempt to undermine the scientific conclusion that the brain does generate the mind and (3) unrelenting accusations of “scientism”, “reductionism” and “determinism”. Mysterians are not seldom freelance journalists blogging for Nature News, Scientific Americans, Washington Post or the New York Times.

The Selective “Skeptic”: these are self-described “skeptics” who mock anti-vaccine cranks and HIV/AIDS denialists for their flawed assertions and dishonest debating tactics (like misunderstanding basic science, quoting scientists out of context, creating a manufactroversy, false balance, playing the martyr card, misusing statistics and so on), yet has no problem using these exact pseudoscientific tactics when attacking psychiatry. Pointing this out is not sufficient to break the bubble of cognitive dissonance and will usually be met with rationalizations and denial. Published scientific evidence in favor of psychiatric models and treatments are met with extreme skepticism, whereas random blog posts online that attacks psychiatry is often accepted with little skepticism.

The Conspiracy Lunatic: this anti-psychiatry archetype is essentially a misguided freedom fighter stuck in Soviet Union of the 1960s. The conspiracy lunatic thinks that all mental conditions are supposedly without any foundation in reality and allegedly invented by evil psychiatrists in collusion with the government and/or pharmaceutical companies. All treatments are believed to be a form of human enslavement. Medication is allegedly used either to brainwash people or keep them pacified while the government, banks or alien reptiles take over the world. Involuntary psychiatric treatment is seen as kidnapping and imprisonment of dissenters instead of a way to protect a person who is at high risk of serious harm or death. ECT, a last-resort treatment given to individuals with severe and treatment resistant depression when all else fail and the life of the person hangs in the balance, is wrongly seen as cruel punishment (despite the fact that individuals undergoing that treatment are given general anesthesia and a muscle-relaxant and that brain scans show that brain damage does not occur).

The Scientologist: this anti-psychiatry archetype is associated with scientology, but it shares many core features in common with the other six archetypes. This is presumably because of the early and close historical links between the two movements. Some scientologists consider themselves at war with psychiatry: they believe that mental illness is a fraud and thinks that psychiatrists are crime-causing terrorists who kidnap, torture and murder innocent people.

Although not empirically validated by any means, these archetypes are useful representations of some of the common themes and clusters of ideologies that defenders of mainstream psychiatry come across when refuting mental illness deniers and anti-psychiatry proponents.


Overview of Anti-Psychiatry

Lieberman, J. A. (2013). DSM-5: Caught between Mental Illness Stigma and Anti-Psychiatry Prejudice. Scientific American Mind Guest Blog. Accessed: 2013-08-07.

The Debunking Anti-Psychiatry Category on Debunking Denialism.

Steven Novella’s excellent series on mental illness denial.

Mieszkowski, K. (2005). Scientology’s war on psychiatry. Salon. Accessed: 2013-08-07.

Safety and Efficacy of ECT

Abrams, Richard. (2000). … and there’s no proof of lasting brain damage. Nature, 403(6772), 826-826.

Devanand D.P., Dwork A.J., Hutchinson E.R., Bolwig T.G., Sackeim H.A. (1994). Does ECT alter brain structure? Am J Psychiatry. 151(7):957-70.

Fink, Max. (2000). ECT has proved effective in treating depression … Nature, 403(6772), 826-826.

Giltay, E. J., Khol, K. H., Blansjaar, B. A. (2008). Serum markers of brain-cell damage and C-reactive protein are unaffected by electroconvulsive therapy. The World Journal of Biological Psychiatry, 9(3), 231-235.

Lilienfeld, Scott O., Lynn, Steven Jay, Ruscio, John, & Beyerstein, Barry L. (2011). 50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology: Shattering Widespread Misconceptions about Human Behavior. West Sussex: Wiley-Blackwell.

Mayo Clinic. (2012). Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). Accessed: 2013-08-07.

Palmio, Johanna, Huuhka, Martti, Laine, Seppo, Huhtala, Heini, Peltola, Jukka, Leinonen, Esa, . . . Keränen, Tapani. (2010). Electroconvulsive therapy and biomarkers of neuronal injury and plasticity: Serum levels of neuron-specific enolase and S-100b protein. Psychiatry Research, 177(1–2), 97-100.

Reisner AD. (2003). The electroconvulsive therapy controversy: evidence and ethics. Neuropsychol Rev. 13(4):199-219.

Zachrisson, Olof C. G., Balldin, Jan, Ekman, Rolf, Naesh, Ole, Rosengren, Lars, Ågren, Hans, & Blennow, Kaj. (2000). No evident neuronal damage after electroconvulsive therapy. Psychiatry Research, 96(2), 157-165.

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