Anti-psychiatry rabble at Benzo Buddies lie to their doctors out of fear of getting locked in psych wards

How are you speaking with your GP
« on: March 01, 2018, 08:43:03 am »

[Buddie]

Hi everyone,

Are you telling to your GP when you going to talk to him about a symptom like blood pressure spikes, headache, etc you are on withdrawal?

I’m afraid to tell to my GP when I’m going with blood pressure problem because the previous one want to send me back to psychiatric doctor after 5 month off when I was still in strong symptoms.

Re: How are you speaking with your GP
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 09:32:55 am »

[Buddie]

I don’t go to my GP or to psychiatrist because I would probably not tell them nice things about what I think about them, their profession and their knowledge.

Re: How are you speaking with your GP
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 10:30:30 am »

[Buddie]

I know what you mean. I thought long time same. Now I’m just afraid to go because I not want to hear any bad.

Re: How are you speaking with your GP
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 11:23:42 am »

[Buddie]

I avoid GP unless essential visit. No point. Just stresses me out.

Re: How are you speaking with your GP
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 01:00:50 pm »

[Buddie]

My advice is, YES, tell your GP that you know why you are having high BP and anxiety issues. Tell him that you have been doing a lot of homework that most in his profession don’t even bother to do. I have almost developed the opinion that if I want to get sick, go visit the doctor! If your GP gives you any condescending comments or shows any sign of brushing your concerns off as if you don’t know what you are talking about………Find another doctor!

Re: How are you speaking with your GP
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 01:49:24 pm »

[Buddie]

My GP is a good guy, who’s been doing this for 30 years, but has NEVER seen a reaction like mine.
he kinda sits there befuddled as i describe all this to him. im like “dude, im TELLIN ya im not exaggerating, and then i ramble for 10 minutes on the horror.”
He sorta skeptically believes me, and he actually feels bad, takes some responsibility. in my case, i tell him its not his fault because my whole ordeal im convinced was brought on with insane levels of binge drinking the last two years before i went sober. my alcohol withdrawal melded right into my benzo withdrawal.

hes doing what he can, taking frequent blood tests, monitoring my bp and all, but hes pretty uncertain on just what the hell to do with me. when im really struggling, hes like, well, the number one thing you need you cant take now.

its the irony of my life that 5 years ago i went completely sober, got in the gym, hit it hard, changed so many things in my life to try and “see the light” as i cruise through my 40’s…and its been an absoulte unholy hell since the day i put a beer down, quite frankly…and ive never felt as effed up in my life as i have when i went straight….yeah…

Kook petition for independent inquiry into benzodiazepines fails miserably

“The horrific life-destroying implications of benzodiazepines have been known about for decades and yet the medical profession remain largely in denial of the damage. The doctors are in denial not us. They conspired with Big Pharma to turn us into accidental addicts. Blah blah blah. The Department of Health, the BMA, and Parliament have a duty to give justice to those whose lives have been ruined. Blah blah. There must be an inquiry for the sake of future generations and for those undergoing the horrific consequences of this iatrogenically induced pandemic. Iatrogenic? Big word that means the doctors did it and we hate them. Pandemic? An epidemic of infectious disease that has spread throughout the world? Get a grip.”

https://www.change.org/p/health-select-committee-an-independent-inquiry-into-benzodiazepines

Even though it is a UK petition, signatures are being solicited, at secret online sites, not only from UK, but also from U.S. and Canadian, citizens. At last count they had 604 signatures. Their goal is 1000. One of the doctor-bashing groups claims to have over 1500 members but can’t even rouse a significant percentage of its members to sign the petition (they don’t have 1500 active members). Benzo Buddies claims 28,000 members but over 90% of the listed membership never posts, or has posted once, and ran from the site screaming (it is rumored Benzo Buddies even keeps deceased members on the membership rolls). If Benzo Buddies had that many members it would be very easy to get 5,000 of them to sign a petition that bashes doctors — some movement. It is as fake as their claims Big Pharma targeted them.

  • UK population 64 million
  • U.S. population 319 million
  • Canadian population 36 million

That is to say, out of a combined total population of 419 million only 604 people signed this garbage. What percentage is that? Pathetic is not even the right word to describe this.

Medication helps people live productive lives.

Kooky Monday: Self-pitying addiction vs iatrogenic dependence discussion devolves into wild bar brawl-style slugfest of personal insults


Appreciate the article, but not sure why this relentless demonization of big pharma and benzos…..similar trope over current “opiod” hysteria…blaming “opiod addiction” on Big Pharma and “oxycontin, etc. Big Pharma should be celebrated for providing us these ameliorative drugs.

as a “survivor” of many things including forced incarceration and Thorazine at a clip of 1600 mg. daily, should I have the right to flash my credentials any time you disagree with me and demand you apologize?

Whatever…regarding points missed– just trying to respond to a palpable hostile tone you have directed at me

http://www.madinamerica.com/2016/03/bridging-the-benzo-divide-iatrogenic-dependence-andor-addiction/#/comment-85090

SIG LINE TERROR

Turning off user signatures
« on: December 30, 2015, 07:42:43 am »

[Buddie]

I noticed that I was obsessing too much with other users’ signatures and taper histories. I’ve turned that off, and it’s made me feel better….

Re: Turning off user signatures
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 09:58:17 pm »

[Buddie]

I’d like to make a suggestion for you- try a lightbox. It may be just the ticket you need to feel better.

Re: Turning off user signatures
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2016, 09:20:51 pm »

[Buddie]

I agree about user signatures. They can really freak me out too. I stay away from the horror stories and stick with threads like Accentuate the positive. Also, when I started my taper 7 weeks ago I literally sat on my couch all day on benzo buddies. I now go on twice a day for fifteen minutes and get on with my life. We have no choice in what we are going through but we do have a choice in how we deal with it.

Re: Turning off user signatures
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 12:22:10 am »

[Buddie]

Thank goodness the signature lines are in small print. Many are way too lengthy and to me your entire history and tapering schedule from day one doesn’t belong there. I wish folks would modify their signatures. I just try to ignore these unless I have some reason to want to know a person’s back story. 

Cult lied, people died

Cult gate keepers tell members that their medical symptoms are just benzo withdrawal and to keep tapering. Members are also pressured – by other members – not to see their doctors/psychiatrists (because… “it will only make you worse” and “they might give you meds” or “lock you in a ward”). Six months, a year, two, three years – later they’re still sick… sometimes even sicker. A few of the lucky ones finally give in and go to see a doctor. They’re diagnosed with something other that drug withdrawal – sometimes something life-threatening. God help the members. God damn the moderators.

SCIENCE VS. CULT FEAR OF BUTTER

Re: Banned for spamming too many kitty pics
« Reply #219 on: July 18, 2012, 12:51:57 AM »

Colin

Quote from: wharfrat666 on July 15, 2012, 04:32:18 AM
but when someone is afraid of mayonnaise or butter, that’s an issue that should not be encouraged. Shame on you and your cohorts for not stifling such.

Why don’t you do your own research instead of just swallowing the crap from your friend. Though, frankly, I think you know the content posted at the blog is nonsense. The ‘butter’ stuff was at the benzowithdrawal.com forum (not BenzoBuddies), and as it was explained to me, like the vast majority of the stolen content appearing at the abusive blog, it was totally misrepresented. My experience is that 99% of the content there lies somewhere between deliberate misrepresentation, and damn lies.

The only mayonnaise stuff of which I am aware (and blogged about at the abusive blog) is a recent comment from a BB member stating that they prefer full-fat mayo over half-fat because off all the additional crap they put in the half-fat version. They just felt that, ‘on balance, a modest amount of full-fat mayo was a healthier option’. In what world should they be disciplined for such a statement? It is you and your friend that are the control freaks, not I, not the team here at BB. You!

Even if from time-to-time members should post something about an irrational fear, why is this a reason for them to be vilified, humiliated, and targeted? Why is it of any surprise that some people (particularly at a support forum where many members suffer from anxiety disorders) post about their anxieties and phobias? WharfRat: get – a – grip! Stop believing everything you read at your friend’s blog – read the original material – read it context – and if you still don’t like it: consider that the person posting it probably doesn’t deserve to be abused, have their words distorted, their visage superimposed upon a dog, their personal details published, or receive crank calls from a crank.

How food marketers made butter the enemy

James McWilliams—a historian who has made a name for himself in prestigious publications like the New York Times and The Atlantic for his contrarian defenses of the food industry—is back at it. In an item published last week in the excellent Pacific Standard, McWilliams uses the controversy over a recent study of saturated fat as a club with which to pummel food industry critics like the Times’ Mark Bittman.

Here’s what happened: A group including Harvard and Cambridge researchers analyzed 72 studies and concluded that there’s no clear evidence that ditching saturated fat (the kind found mainly in butter, eggs, and meat) for the monounsaturated and polyunsaturated kind (found in fish and a variety of vegetable oils) delivers health benefits.

Bittman responded to the study’s release with a Times item declaring that “butter is back.” His real point was more nuanced than that, though. The study’s conclusion “doesn’t mean you [should] abandon fruit for beef and cheese,” he wrote. Rather, he urged, “you [should] just abandon fake food for real food, and in that category of real food you can include good meat and dairy.”

Not so fast, McWilliams countered. He pointed out, correctly, that the study turned out to have errors, which the authors had to correct. But even after the corrections, the study’s lead author stood by the overall findings, Science reported. Another one of the authors told Science that the study’s main problem was the way it was covered by media. “We are not saying the guidelines are wrong and people can eat as much saturated fat as they want,” he told Science. “We are saying that there is no strong support for the guidelines and we need more good trials.”

Of course, headline aside, Bittman didn’t fall into that trap. He merely urged his readers to accept some fat when they’re “looking for a few chunks of pork for a stew,” and to use real butter in place of “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter.” Indeed, Bittman’s call for moderation in eating animal products is long-standing—he’s the author of a book called Vegan Before Six and a longtime champion of the “Meatless Mondays” practice.

But McWilliams’ real beef (so to speak) ultimately didn’t involve the study itself, or the debate over fat’s place in our diets. Rather, it centered on Bittman’s critique of the food industry, which Bittman blamed for stoking the public’s fat phobia, and manipulating to its own ends. McWilliams chides Bittman for the “disingenuousness of using a study on fat and heart health as grounds for condemning processed food,” and laments the “dubious manner in which processed foods are condemned.”

But he misses an important point: You can’t meaningfully debate the role of fat in our diets without looking hard at the way the food industry has manipulated the evolving scientific consensus around fat. On NPR last week, reporter Allison Aubrey showed how widespread fat phobia among the public gained traction from a 1977 decree by a US Senate committee that people should consume less saturated fat—which then got interpreted by the food industry as a license to promote sugar-laden, carbohydrate-rich products as “low fat” and thus healthy.

Simultaneously, as Bittman correctly noted, trans fats—cheap vegetable oils treated with hydrogen so that they remain solid at room temperature—emerged as the food industry’s butter substitute of choice for decades, providing the main substance for margarine. Based on relentless food industry marketing, generations of people grew up thinking trans-fat-laden margarine was healthier than butter—even after science definitively showed that it was much, much worse (a sorry tale I laid out here).

These fat-related marketing triumphs, quite profitable for the food industry, coincided with a surge in diet-related health troubles, including heightened obesity, diabetes, and metabolic-syndrome rates. Bittman is correct to discuss highly processed food in the context of the controversy over fat; and in trying to force it out of the conversation, McWilliams is playing his usual role: reasonable-sounding defender of a highly profitable but dysfunctional industry.

Health budget cuts helped create pro-Scientology anti-psychiatry sites

In the past, the mentally ill could count on mental health help from the government. That help, in the form of financial aid for state and local governments, provided both inpatient and outpatient services for the afflicted. Sadly, that is no longer the case today. Due to severe budget cuts, patients have been tossed – often literally – into the street and left to fend for themselves.
In part, these budget cuts allowed the mushrooming of so-called self-help sites like Benzo Buddies. Computers being reasonably cheap, the Internet became the new asylum for the untreated mentally ill. There was one caveat – there were no doctors running these sites. It truly was, and is, a case of the lunatics running the asylum.
It would not surprise me to find out that embittered benzo forum owners were once psychiatric ward patients forced them into the street by budget cuts. That would go a long way to explaining their hatred of psychiatry and their radicalization. 
State Budget Cuts Slash Mental Health Funding
Source: PBS NewsHour January 2011

Over the past ten days, the story of 22-year-old Jared Loughner, the alleged gunman in the Tucson shootings, has unfolded on news outlets throughout the world. It’s a dark tale of a troubled young man who was growing increasingly out of control — yet it seems neither he nor members of his family realized he needed treatment from mental health professionals.

Until two years ago, there were a number of programs in his community that would have been available to Loughner and his family if they had sought help. Like many places around the country, Pima County had mental health programs for people through both Medicaid and at community health centers. But now those programs have been cut because the state of Arizona is wrestling with a massive budget deficit.

Arizona has long offered mental health services, such as case workers and prescription drug coverage, to residents who don’t qualify for Medicaid, but also don’t have private insurance that covers mental health services. But since 2008, the state has had to slash a whopping $65 million from that program, affecting as many as 28,000 people last year.

Who are they? Mostly residents who’ve been mentally stable for years, being treated with prescription drugs, counseling and group therapy through programs in the area. Now, thousands of patients have lost their case workers, their doctors and access to group therapy, and many have been forced to take generic medications because the state no longer pays for most brand name drugs.

Bill Kennard, executive director of the Arizona chapter of the National Alliance on Mental Illness, said the dramatic change in drug policy meant the formula went from whatever worked to an all-generic formula. So, Kennard said, a patient who finds that a more expensive drug works better for them now has pay for it himself, or switch to a generic drug.

Arizona is not the only place facing massive cuts to mental health services. Across the country, public programs for the mentally ill are on the chopping block because of huge state budget deficits.

Most of those affected by these new cuts are on Medicaid or indigent – and are persons with serious or persistent mental illness, according to Dr. Laurence Miller, who heads the American Psychiatric Association’s Committee on Public and Community Psychiatry.

Miller says nine states have closed down some public psychiatric units and substance abuse programs to save money, including Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Indiana. Mississippi closed 184 beds at its state hospital.

Funding mental health services has always been a challenge in statehouses across the country, Miller says. The lack of an advocating constituency and stigma, he says, are the root of the problem.

And although Medicaid spending in the states has risen, states all over the country have actually cut some Medicaid benefits. But they’re targeted – the new federal health care reform law and the economic stimulus legislation won’t let states cut eligibility requirements without losing federal funding. That means they’re cutting benefits wherever they can, including mental health.

But some analysts say that cutting mental health services now will eventually cost cities and states money, as more people who’ve been cut from these programs become unstable and find themselves in conflict with law enforcement.

In San Francisco, Dr. John Rouse, a psychiatrist at San Francisco General Hospital told The Examiner that “[i]t means more people in jail, it means more people pushing shopping carts down Market Street, it means more wasted resources because it makes it hard to intervene early and cheaply.”

The major provisions of the federal health care reform law are scheduled to take effect in 2014. If left intact, they’ll help solve some of these state budget problems, at least temporarily, as millions of Americans who cannot get mental health coverage through insurance or state programs today will have access to both under the law, and almost all of funding for the expansion of Medicaid will come from Washington for the first few years of implementation.

Between now and then, however, there is a rough road ahead for the nation’s poor — who also happen to be mentally ill.

Documentation

Between 2009 and 2012, states cut a total of $4.35 billion in public mental-health spending from their budgets. According to a report by the National Alliance on Mental Illness, significant cuts to general fund appropriations for state mental health agencies have translated into a severe shortage of services, including housing, community-based treatment and access to psychiatric medications. “Increasingly, emergency rooms, homeless shelters and jails are struggling with the effects of people falling through the cracks,” the report says, “due to lack of needed mental health services and supports.”

The map below shows how states’ spending changed on mental health services between 2009 and 2012. Click on a state to see the specifics.

MAP: Which States Have Cut Treatment For the Mentally Ill the Most?

Watch: Ghosts of the Asylums

Mother Jones’ cover story for May/June 2013, “Schizophrenic. Killer. My Cousin.”, features a collection of eerie, yet beautiful photographs of abandoned mental hospitals. They’re the work of Jeremy Harris, a Brooklyn photographer who began sneaking into these buildings in 2005. In this video Jeremy explains the project and shows off some of the hospital artifacts he’s collected along the way.

Former cult members speak out on cult suicides

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/13 at 6:04 pm

They ARE responsible for Darrin dying!!!! Adding a disclaimer to the signature line AFTER the fact is nothing but a knee jerk reaction!!!! Where was this disclaimer when Darrin was posting?Would you tell a diabetic not to take insulin because the doctors and pharmacies are in cohoots??????? So EVERY psychiatrist is an unethical dumbass? SO NO ONE actually suffers FROM A MENTAL CONDITION!!!!!!!!!! Why is that??? because mental conditions DO NOT EXIST!!!!! Oh now that makes sense. So really the field of psychiatry is total bullshit!Hey lets post MENTAL CONDITIONS DO NOT EXIST AND THAT is why we should ALL GET OFF OUR MEDS. What kind of brainwashing bullshit is that!

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/14 at 7:52 am

and the ideal candidate must believe and swear on their life to uphold the Benzo Bud Creed: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MENTAL ILLNESS

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/17 at 3:03 pm

Darrin’s family informed the BB of his death. Any chance they can be contacted and made aware of the dangerous advice Darrin was being told?Does Pamster think about his family and what they have endured thanks to BB’s “no drugs” dogma. They lost a loved one and will grieve him every holiday season. BB cult should have to do the same!He died Christmas Eve! How horrible for the family. Pamster should have to endure the weight of his death every single Christmas!!!the aftermath of that Christmas and every other Christmas since this occurred.

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/18 at 7:54 am

This stuff so angers me! Guy needs to follow doc advice while seeking another opinion from another doctor. Instead he gets this:“hang in there”
“hang in there”
they love to say that…..
maybe he can hang himself and then he will be “hanging in there”!!!!!

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/21 at 7:00 am

Wow, so she tells this person NOT TO POST SUICIDAL PLANS because we all know that if you don’t post it then it won’t happen right?

So a suicidal person should just not talk about it because it is not appropriate. I guess she should go kill herself quietly and not tell anyone.

If she does then she is to be REPORTED and then what Pam, you plan to BAN HER?

Telling people to get off medications and then telling them depression is a common side effect AND THEN telling them NOT to discuss the depression is truly MADNESS!!!!!!

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/21 at 2:52 pm

according to the Benzo Buddies, it is ALL JUST BENZO WITHDRAWAL!!! and there is no such things as Mental Illness, so I guess there is no need to encourage her to see a doctor, plus he may put her on meds (gasp_drugs)

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/23 at 2:21 pm

Encourage the poor woman to get some sleep!Get some sleep before you get more depressed.Seroquel, and Zyprexa which are a new class of atypical anti-psychotics thus THEY ARE NOT BENZO NOR IN THE SAME FAMILY are sometimes used for sleep aid. ….”they might think it is psychiatric”…. duh? well yes!
don’t be so damn afraid woman and stop listening to the “ANTI-DRUG” RHETORIC and get some medication and get some damn sleep!

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/24 at 7:55 am

It frustrates me when people are diagnosed while in benzo withdrawal, of course we’ll fit many labels, depression, GAD, bipolar, psychosis to name a few.PSYCHOSIS, WTF, THAT IS SERIOUS AND I DOUBT IT CAN BE BLAMED ON BENZO WITHDRAWAL!
MY GOD WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING!!!!!!!
DIDN’T THEY HAVE A DIAGNOSIS ORIGINALLY ANYWAY?????
YES BENZO TOLERANCE.. I HAVE BEEN THERE BUT TO SAY THAT PSYCHOSIS IS ACCEPTABLE TO CONSIDER OH JUST A PART OF IT.
MADNESS MADNESS MADNESS

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/28 at 7:11 am

Benzo Buddie Team is a “smidge” above just a regular nobody. I thank this website for Pamsters demotion, it shows Colin is getting scared. This site keeps attacking Pam for her dangerous comments and for the Darrin suicide, so it was time for Colin to throw her under the bus.A moderator who was a friend of mine, was demoted and eventually BANNED based on too much joking around and for having a humorous slogan in his signature line. “Humor is the Best Medicine” apparently doesn’t apply at that site…

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/10/31 at 5:01 pm

hey Pamster! tell this new one to stay on her ambien and deal with what she thinks are “left over” xanax issues first. Is Ambien evil also….????oh yea, to you ALL PSYCH DRUGS ARE EVIL.

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/11/01 at 9:23 pm

WOW, so basically this person is being told by Pam to “shut up” about her depression and show some COMPASSION for the other people on this site.

So we go from telling them that depression is a normal symptom and that if they are on any psych medications to get off of them, but if AS A RESULT OF BB’s advice it gets out of hand then shut up about it and go away!!!!

Looks like you guys are trying to cover your @$$!!!!!!

StormyRain
Submitted on 2011/12/12 at 9:22 am

Pamster, This is mavila1331 and I am one of the many many people who shared info with Mike59, and I am very glad for my role.Why, because your site was dangerous.We can look briefly at my situation.
In my situation, I went through an inpatient rapid xanax detox and put on much safer klonopin.

I then needed to of seen an outpatient doctor who would of raised the klonopin to a level where I could function and THEN SLOWLY TAPERED OVER TIME from that benzo.

This would have allowed me to work and to be with my family.

Instead I stayed with you guys and suffered horrible benzo tolerance withdrawal. My spouse had to do EVERYTHING for me….I could not even BATHE, much less be a wife.

Eventually he went away to someone who was there for him. My daughter who is bipolar became suicidal and remains on a precarious path. (do you see the RIPPLE EFFECT PAM! )

Now a few words regarding other members

I have been appalled at the suicidal feelings expressed by members and of how they are told to “hang in there” its just those pesky benzo’s.

OOps you killed yourself? Oh well, hide it from other members or downplay it so others won’t realize that maybe Benzo Buddies is WRONG, regarding the pesky benzo depression.

I have never forgiven any of you for Darrin’s suicide or for any suicide influenced by your site.

Your site supported people getting off all their psych medication, with you CHEERING all along. Did you know anything about these people mental history that made it okay for them to stop all psych drugs, even ones that treat for psychosis???

I was horrified at how members were SUPPORTED when they shared their fear of telling their doctor about the desire to die because they may go inpatient and be put on “drugs”.

Every time I tried to ADVOCATE FOR THEIR SAFETY, YOU, PAM, would move my posts, or tell me how I had an agenda and to stop posting the same advice for everyone on the “Depression” section, or one of your goonies would then post discrediting what I had said.

Maybe you should educate yourself and read about mental illness. I have lived with someone with depression who killed himself-my father.

When I shared this, it was always ignored since it went against the “all psych drugs” are bad motto and
I kept TRYING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT SUICIDE IS REAL!!!!! I kept using my father as an example of someone who DID NOT TAKE HIS MEDS and that we can’t judge the severity of other member’s depression and tell them it will pass..

You, Pam and your group kept burying the post and supporting your GET OFF ALL DRUGS.

It is sad because Benzo Buddies was suppose to be about getting off benzo’s and then you allowed it to become a life sucking monster… Pushing people to drop ALL their psych medication.

You caused people with mental illness to suffer needlessly. I hope I can someday forgive you for Darrin’s suicide and I hope someday his family can forgive you for literally killing Darrin last Christmas!!!!

Merry Christmas Pam!