How long will the obsessed Benzo Buddies leader’s nearly decade-long feud with Jana Hill go on?

Titration, Patents, and Fantastical Claims
« on: October 29, 2019, 11:34:44 pm »

Colin

Re: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=231829.msg2975666#msg2975666

For many years there were attempts to promote a particular unproven/untested set of titration protocols. Further, those promoting these methods were engaged in rubbishing completely standard (and effective for most) pill-splitting tapers and characterizing them as ‘cut & suffer‘. They even peppered posts at BenzoBuddies with such language – this is when I first intervened in this matter (January, 2013). Even though Jana Hill (the person behind the protocols) closed down her forum some years ago, there continue to be a small number of very vocal individuals who seek to promote her untested claims as somehow proven or guaranteed to work. Indeed, there has been a recent uptick in activity promoting her protocols both within and without BB. When there is any attempt at push-back, the rather extreme reaction (including threats of lawsuits) are rather illustrative of the problem. If this fails, then perhaps one of Hill’s supporters will instead offer to purchase BB. No.

Jana Hill applied for a patent in 2012. As I suggested a short time later here at BB, the claims made in her patent were extremely flawed, some were even dangerous. Indeed, all twenty claims were rejected. Only with the help of the patent examiner (who apparently redrafted three claims for her) was a patent (with three claims) eventually allowed.

Hill seems to misunderstand (or wishes others to misunderstand) that because a patent is awarded, this somehow means that her protocols are: 1) tested and verified; and 2) are defensible. The award of a patent does NOT connote these things. A recent quote from Hill at the Benzodiazepine Information Coalition website:

Quote from: J.Hill
Crazy Canuk , in his opening statement, says that he learned this taper protocol from its developer through BenzoDetoxRecovery. He states that he hopes that it’s okay to make his videos ostensibly describing it. It isn’t; it wasn’t.

Using the protocol incorrectly tarnishes its good name and places users at risk. He presents it incorrectly.

The authentic BenzoMicroTaper protocol USPTO 9301963 has a 13 year record of success. It is verified by the US patent office as novel( it was not previously available), needed, and understandable by “those practiced in the art”.

If The Coalition’s rules allow it, I will post the way that you can find the authentic BenzoMicroTaper . False versions now seem ubiquitous. A summary is available for the patientsÂ’ doctors. You can ask for it using the “reply” button.

J.Hill

Benzodiazepine Tapering Strategies and Solutions – Benzodiazepine Information Coalition
https://www.benzoinfo.com/2017/10/09/benzodiazepine-tapering-strategies-and-solutions/

Hill’s statements that her method, “is verified by the US patent office as novel (it was not previously available), needed, and understandable by ‘those practiced in the art'”, is extremely misleading and disingenuous.

It is probably best for me to simply link to the patent and some information about patents:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US9301963B2/en

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_having_ordinary_skill_in_the_art

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_(patent)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_step_and_non-obviousness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art

http://www.geocities.com/benzobusters/winslow.htm

And for anyone who is particularly interested, and would like to compare, here is the original patent application (with the rejected 20 claims):

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=20120322794.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120322794&RS=DN/20120322794

Further reading, including threats from Hill to doxx a BB member:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=159823.0

There is a lot I could get into, but my time is limited – I’ll leave it for readers to interpret (and discuss if they wish). But if any of you would prefer to read something a little more bite-sized, please check out the attached document*, which was supplied by Hill to the US Patent office in support of her appeal after the patent was initially rejected.** It is replete with nonsense, false claims, and utilization of quite extraordinary language.

* Available via the link at the foot of this post (with a small green paperclip image next to it).

** Please note: Jana Hill’s personal details appear in the attached document. However, Hill long ago chose to make her name and location public knowledge (and again very recently through the media). And the attached document is a public record.
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Jana disciple claims dual-milk titration guru totally recovered

Jana: totally recovered from benzos for ten plus years
« on: August 30, 2016, 01:57:24 am »

[Buddie]

Jana remains completely recovered from benzo withdrawal for well over ten years. She has no reason to use any drug.
A Science and technical writer, she went back to the research basics and developed the benzomicrotaper in 2005. We see hints of her work here but not the real thing. She named it benzomicrotaper to be clear that it is not related to any of the titration ideas. People split pills back in 2005.
on
Jana is not on the internet. She was injured by the Colorado flood of 2013. She remains displaced. Today she does benzo work through the more traditional way.

I know all this because I know her personally. We lived in the same city. Recently I moved away. We still talk every few days. Our families keep up with each other.

Best wishes,
Veri

Cult leader intervened to save Flick from Jana

Re: Flickster Blog
« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2007, 06:44:37 PM »

Flick

hi Colin I was just noticing you mentioning to Genie about titration again. i am having a rough time with the every other week dry cuts now and have tons of liquid left over from when I tried a liquid titration recommended by Jana . It worked great for awhile, but I was cutting 3mg a month which was way too much for me even titrating and it caught up with me big time after 7 weeks. But I thought about doing it again now. I thought I could keep it at 1mg a month but the measurements on my syringe are hard to figure at that amount. 1.5mg a month would be much easier to figure how to measure. But that would increase my rate of taper by 50% and I am not sure that is a good idea either. I have to do something because I am sitting here at 10mg afraid to make another .5mg dry cut because the last one clobbered me and .25mg is impossible to measure with the pills. If you cut a 2mg pill into 8 pieces, you get no accuracy at all. from flick stuck in benzo hell

Re: Flickster Blog
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2007, 01:21:35 AM »

Colin

 

Hi Flick.

Can you give me the details of your benzo regimen, and I’ll work out a taper that fits your needs. The system we’ve been developing means that cuts are very easy to measure. You will need a 100ml measuring cylinder, with at 1ml graduations. The methods means that you will be removing 1ml each day (or two or three days). It is the overall starting volume of liquid that allows the system to suit your need particular needs. I’ll explain more when you post the details of your taper, and the amount you’d like to cut, and over what period of time.

PEARLS OF WISDOM FROM REINSTATED JANA

Jana

Creating a condition that is stable as possible is the first pre-taper work. Here is how to do it:

  1. Take a consistent dose that you find best covers the withdrawal symptoms.
  2. Make or buy a liquid delivery form of your benzo.
  3. Divide that daily dose into from two to four EVEN doses. The liquid makes dividing easy.
  4. Take the divided doses at even intervals through the 24 hour period. That may be every twelve, eight, or four hours. Do not set am alarm to wake up for a dose. Take it as soon as you do awake and then take the rest of the doses on schedule.

That’s the “secret” to feeling better quickly and being in a good place for your real taper. Everyone needs to know this. Pass it on.

Just this simple pre-taper will surprise you and make you realize that you really can have control over this illness.

Happy Tapering,
Jana


Benzo-free since 3/23/06
Reinstated 6/27/16

Cult leader’s sick obsession with dual milk titration guru Jana Hill


At the now defunct Benzo Detox Recovery, Jana claimed that Colin no longer owned Benzo Buddies. She raved that her dual milk micro titration method would finally be taken seriously. She denounced the tapering methods of Ashton, whom the hateful and bitter Jana called “old woman Ashton”.  She salivated over the prospect of the permanent closure of Benzo Buddies (with former members fleeing to the safety of Benzo Detox Recovery).

In the only reply to Jana’s delirious utterances, one of her paranoid cult members blamed Big Pharma for Benzo Buddies being temporarily down. It’s all a Big Pharma conspiracy to stop the world from knowing about Ashton and microtapering (with milk) – of course.

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Jana
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 03:43:32 AM

BB’s is not just down. The domain has been bought by someone other than Colin Moran. The old place is no more. This seems to account for the sudden increase in new memberships. This is a surprise, of course, for many reasons. Anyway, it would be good to say that what we have been doing here is very different from what BB’s or other sites have done. We do not support the old and failed methods. We focus on how to get better as a taper progresses. BB’s site had stated that this was impossible. New people may notice that we have no arguing or attacking of people here. Different views are encouraged to be discussed. The owners of the ideas are not the issues. I believe that the people who come here want the different kind of help that is offered here. These people would have no reason to participate at these other sites. Mixing methods has no good outcome. One site is claiming the results of the MicroTaper as its own. This issue may come up. Be aware that I began this work in 2005. That is long before the imitatiors had heard the word, benzodiazepine. Google caches these things. Also be aware that I have coined terms to refer to benzo phenomena. These original terms are misused by some sites to send traffic to them instead of this intended site. I expect some things to change soon, but the focus will not change. This thread will be added to. Anyone who has input can place it here or in a new thread. Honest and earnest discussion is encouraged. This helps all of us to learn. We don’t want to be so satisfied with a status quo that we don’t seek new knowledge. Jana

joe_oct
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 4:02:11 PM

I was from there. I have friends there too and we do support each other (more on moral support). I am going to miss them; not sure why the site is closed; hopefully not because of the drug company. This is absolutely immoral if that is the case.