Stevie Nicks blames psychiatry, not abuse of illegal drugs, for her decline


The anti-psychiatry cult venerates Nicks as an anti-benzo apostle yet Stevie was an out of control drug addict:

  • Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie Nicks was so addicted to cocaine, alcohol and Quaaludes she blacked out and nearly overdosed repeatedly
  • She wore gold and turquoise bottle inlaid with diamonds around her neck so she was never without coke
  • To avoid body searches by customs in Europe, they hired Hitler’s private rail car complete with the elderly attendant who served the Fuhrer

She quickly descended into drug hell and became addicted to cocaine, alcohol, Quaaludes to sleep, and cigarettes – until her system broke down and she started having nosebleeds, falls on stage, blackouts and near overdoses.

She bought $1 million worth of cocaine and it burned a hole in her nose the size of a dime. Rumors spread that she had to have the drug blown up her derriere by an assistant.

“There was no way to get off the white horse and I didn’t want to,”  the now 66-year-old Nicks said.

She only slowed down her drug consumption when her doctor warned her she was risking permanent mental and physical damage as well as heading for a brain hemorrhage or an early grave.

The group called for an intervention and saved her life by urging her to check in to the Betty Ford Center.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2941749/Stevie-Nicks-1million-cocaine-habit-fueled-wild-affair-married-Mick-Fleetwood-burned-hole-nose-big-took-drug-private-parts-reveals-new-book.html

Can anyone blame Big Pharma, or psychiatry, for that?

In a March 2017 Rolling Stone interview, instead of advising her younger self never to take illegal drugs, and thereby help other addicts, Nicks irresponsibly blames the psychiatrist who tried to help her recover:

What advice would you give to your younger self?
“How about my early-forties self? That’s when I walked out of Betty Ford after beating coke. I spent two months doing so well. But all my business managers and everyone were urging me to go to this guy who was supposedly­ the darling of the psychiatrists. That was the guy who put me on Klonopin. This is the man who made me go from 123 pounds to almost 170 pounds at five feet two. He stole eight years of my life.”

Look at what this poor, brainwashed, slob at Benzo Buddies says about Nicks:

Resist
« on: May 24, 2017, 02:51:03 am »

[Buddie]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/stevie-nicks-talks-drugs-men-aging-fleetwood-macs-future-w470914

Start fighting back folks. No more suicides. Lost jobs and homes. No more drugged toddlers and babies, elderly and infirm. Come on guys! This is a grass roots effort! If Stevie Nicks still has the balls to stand up against big pharma and the drug dealers that push their poisons, so do you!

Love you all,

Talk about delusional.

Attention Flick: Hernandez used synthetic pot before he hung himself

Aaron Hernandez ‘wrote bible verse John 3:16 on his forehead and smoked synthetic marijuana before taking his life in his prison cell’

Investigators also looking at possibility he smoked K2 synthetic marijuana before hanging himself – the same kind he smoked after killing Lloyd. It is known to cause psychotic episodes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4426674/Aaron-Hernandez-wrote-bible-verse-John-3-16-blood.html

Benzo Buddies kooks eat hemp seeds for breakfast

Re: Whats your breakfast?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 01:19:36 pm »

[Buddie]

I eat either oatmeal or oat bran for breakfast with hemp seeds, coconut oil, cinnamon, and nutmeg. Delicious and packed with nutrition!

I did fall off the bandwagon for awhile eating a ton of sugar which I seem to be highly sensitive to so I’m trying to get back on track.

Benzo Buddies pothead loves grass, “super sad” not to be smoking it anymore, swears Klonopin takes edge off marijuana-induced panic attacks

Re: Can marijuana help through benzo withdrawal?
« Reply #124 on: March 30, 2017, 12:26:47 am »

[Buddie]

Marijuana elevates heart rate and therefore can trigger a panic attack. I was a daily pot smoker and 90 percent of the times I was great except for random bug outs. Klonopin took that edge off. Then when I was tapering in the fall I got massive attacks every time I smoked. My cold turkey was so bad in January I didn’t even bother trying it. I smoked one little hit the other night and my heart went[…]. I hear what you are saying about being hungry prior to smoking and how it can cause some anxiety that’s a real thing. But I don’t think pot is useful for benzo withdrawals. I love marijuana and I’m super sad to not be smoking it anymore. I don’t think it’s harmful, but I’d rather avoid a panic attack or chest discomfort. I may try some edibles at some point. I researched this to death because I so miss smoking it but from everything I’ve read it doesn’t seem conducive to the brain healing post benzos. If you try and it works for you congrats. Let me know how it goes. Lol

Four years later, cult still panicked over Matt Samet’s relapse

“So perhaps you’re wondering, once a year, or two, or three go by off benzos or antidepressants or antipsychotics or whatever chemicals have been foisted on you, will you still have to be vigilant or can you dive fully back into your ‘old life’ again? Can you pound coffee or smoke weed or drink socially, or have a stressful job or commute, or eat foods with lots of MSG and not blow out, not have a setback? Can you overextend yourself physically or mentally or emotionally without incurring ‘the wrath’?” – Matt Same

“I only passingly flirted with psych meds myself but I did a fair and regular share of weed, coffee, alcohol, psychedelics, and the occasional benzo, opiate, and even friends’ neuroleptics (to help me sleep off binges) for several years.” – Matthew Cohen

Re: How is it possible Matt Samet had a setback???
« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2017, 09:10:18 am »

[Buddie]

Quote from: [Buddie] on December 02, 2013, 01:15:38 pm
I have a guess. A guess is all it is, so please don’t jump on me. It is possible that his relapse was not what he says it was. He might have an underlying condition that led to his initial benzo use, and has now reared its ugly head again.

He would have us believe that his healed nervous system was so fragile that seven years of abuse crashed it again. That’s a possibility, but I can think of other things that might also explain it.

Obviously I don’t know. But why should we all get freaked out and worried that we will never truly recover 100% and will always have this hanging over our heads if we drink too much coffee? As long as it’s possible that his problem was not simply a return to withdrawal seven years later, why should we worry about it?

I don’t think Matt Samet did the benzo community any favors by scaring the hell out of us. As long as there are other possibilities, I choose to ignore Matt Samet’s claim that we never really recover from benzo use. On average, I’m sure we are not all like Matt Samet.

Matt Samett has written about smoking marijuana and this is a HUGE no no when it comes to the post benzo brain. Marijuana is like taking a sledge hammer to your brain’s GABA receptors. The caffeine probably didn’t do him any favors, but caffiene wont reset you back to square one benzo withdrawal. Alcohol and pot however will launch u back into benzo withdrawal.

As for Matt’s claim that we never fully recover…he’s eight. We heal and gain back the ability to live our lives but the regenerated GABA receptors are fragile and genetically different than the original ones we were born with. One smack to these fragile receptors and ur right back in hell

Kook laments pot isn’t legal

It just hit me
« on: March 08, 2017, 10:14:34 pm »

[Buddie]

Almost a year in this hell, and it just hit me how ridiculous our laws are. Benzodiazepines, which we all know what it is doing to us (suicidal thoughts, psychosis, deprrssion, addiction, etx) are legal, yet marijuana is ? Shaking my head.

This country is messed up. These doctors are the biggest drug pushers in the world.

“That’s not in the Ashton Manual!”

So mad at myself for taking a rescue dose
« on: February 27, 2017, 05:21:55 am »

[Buddie]

So this is the first rescue dose I have taken throughout my taper and I just want to make sure I didn’t undo my hard work to get down to 1 mg and I was planning on fleeing again tomorrow. I tried CBD oil for the first time today and I think I freaked myself out about using it and was convinced I was having terrible side effects, I thought I could try it after asking my doctor because I was having some anxiety about tapering again even though I felt ready, all in all it was a stupid decision and obviously I know now to stay away from anything I am afraid of taking, but if this is really my first rescue dose since tapering have I undone all of my hard work? I know obviously to not make this a habit but this truly felt like a one off situation and I have zero plans of doing it again

RAHKE’S RAMBLINGS REVISITED

Flick

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #210 on: Today at 01:03:10 PM »

He detests plenty of others here besides befuddled, Carl and me .  funny how much Zoe posts and sounds like Mike 59{although I know she is not a sock}  Mike posts about others here{not much about Zoe to speak of though, now that is amusing} he will have a riot with this thread with people talking about him though, being  a “legend in his own mind”   So , yes , his influence was so dark on this forum , that the echo and stench is still carrying through some, esp. since he copies and pastes a lot here on his own silly blog .  “C”[Mike that is} does all the childlike art work.

Not sure why I would be “one of the most hated ” here.  except maybe by screamin mimi and Zoe because I worked so hard and long to expose the truth of the trolling and troll here.  I would say the place is a heck of a lot more peaceful now, except for a lingering sock here and there stirring up some silly arguments over herbs and vitamins and so forth.

it is a truth and a fact that Zoe was one of the most vociferous and main supporters of the troll Mike 59 and his trolling activities here. if that makes me hated for pointing out the truth, then so be it.  You can’t be loved by all the people all the time.  Zoe has said that she would always back Mikey up, “no matter what”   sheesh, stop backing him up already now.

The real fact of the matter about all of this, is that a very hugely negative thing happened on this forum over a very extended period of time that hurt several people , many of whom are gone now.  that was the dark trolling and lying and deception of Mike 59.   No one believed me when I pointed it out for many a long months.   I was constantly attacked , not only by the troll , but also by his “friends”   , the sock puppets “C”, “James” and “Mark 49” and also by some of the women supporters and enablers like Zoe{the main one} and also Screaming Mimi and Louisa to a lesser degree.  {Louisa yes was a huge supporter of Mike 59}

Some people certainly do have selective or just poor memories.    By the way, I have given the original poster, Duneplanet ,  some support and the best advice I know on this thread. I did not hijack the thread at all.    The troll did.   he is still active after all is said and done.  Flick


on 1.25mg klon 2 years crossed to 25mg val been tapering 9 months down to 13 and suffering my butt off cutting .5mg every 12 to 14 days down to 11mg. had a good 2 months of less depression and more energy crashing again now  sedation and depression back plus fear and anxiety lots of fun now at 6mg using liquid daily titration and doing much better at 5 now and holding due to sx 1.5mg and cutting .5mg a month done in 3 or 4 more months .3mg now done in 5 weeks  finished taper of 2.5 years on Nov 23 08  am four months off and in the process of healing yet

Befuddled

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #211 on: Today at 01:06:36 PM »

Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 12:42:44 PM

Jim, i hope you Carl and Flick are happy. 

You have become the 3 most hated posters on this forum.

My 80year old father is my main concern right now.

You have made this beloved forum the laughing stock of the benzo community.

You 3 have proven that it is acceptable to use this forum as a place to destroy and hurt people.

You have exceeded the nastiness and down right dirtiness of your so called torturer.  It will not be forgotten soon, by anyone here.  You got your pound of flesh, enjoy it.

I see clearly now why mike59 has ear marked the three of you as people to detest.  You all must be so proud.

And how do you thing we liked you enabling the detestable stuff that Mike59 did here? Instead of apologizing for supporting him, you are trying to paint us as villains.  that is unfair, Zoe. If you avoid starting drama, I will be more than happy to not speak up. I came to this forum in June, and almost right away Mike 59 , you and a few others ganged up on me.  If you show me you are different, I will be glad to accept that .  I am friendly by nature, and this petty arguing increases my anxiety.But, I , unlike you am not over the wd yet.  I need this place, jsut like I have since June when I found myself attacked by the troll Mike59, and you and several troll enablers. JIM


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

zoe123

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #212 on: Today at 01:09:57 PM »

this is all paranoid dellusion on both your parts.

all of it.

you are both very sick

i feel sorry for you.


Klonopin 6 plus years.. Up to 4mgs.  Dry cut to 2mgs, water titrated to 1.5mgs, cross to 30mgs of valium, sick, cut to 17.5 mgs sick, updosed to 20mgs, sick.  Detox 9days.  Off Nov27th 2009.  Not sick anymore
You must do the thing you think you cannot do.  ERAshton Manual  http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzcha03.htmWater Titraiton Method  http://benzowithdrawal.com/forum/index.php?topic=11.0http://www.benzodocs.com/converter.php?act=convert“There is no coming to consciousness without pain.”
Carl Gustav Jung quote

Heather

 

 

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #213 on: Today at 01:37:33 PM »

Zoe does not deserve this.  Stop it.

Reinstated ’07 after cold-turkeyed by doctor from 2 mgs Klonopin. Previously other doctors wreaked havoc with me re the benzos.  Began tapering from 41 mgs valium Sept ’07.  Benzo free 9 April ’09.   Tramadol free 20 Sept ’09, drug free.   Strong withdrawal symptoms.

Not a doctor, not qualified to give medical advice.

Ashton Manual   http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/contents.htm
Titration   http://benzowithdrawal.com/forum/index.php?topic=11.0
http://benzowithdrawal.com/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl

Flick
Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #214 on: Today at 01:42:14 PM »

Wow, Zoe is either in outer space  or just in “denial”   I won’t say “liar” though   So “Mike 59”,   “C” , “James”  and other socks are all “paranoid delusions” of mine.   uh sure thing.  that is EXACTLY what Mike 59 has always said.  Yep paranoid delusions.  it never happened none of it.   just a figment of my imagination.  now who is really “sick” here? not me.      Flick      Your buddy Screaming Mimi used to say the same hooey too.   talk about mean spirited.   but the truth can’t just be swept under the carpet like Zoe would like to do

Sure she deserves it is she keeps lying through her teeth like this.   to say nothing ever happened here and that it is all a paranoid delusion of mine is beyond lying. it is the sick stuff. perhaps you could go over to mike’s wordpress blog, Heather, and see what kind of fun he is having with yu and your husband, eh? so it never happened? sure thing.  I am not the delusional liar here  so sorry


on 1.25mg klon 2 years crossed to 25mg val been tapering 9 months down to 13 and suffering my butt off cutting .5mg every 12 to 14 days down to 11mg. had a good 2 months of less depression and more energy crashing again now  sedation and depression back plus fear and anxiety lots of fun now at 6mg using liquid daily titration and doing much better at 5 now and holding due to sx 1.5mg and cutting .5mg a month done in 3 or 4 more months .3mg now done in 5 weeks  finished taper of 2.5 years on Nov 23 08  am four months off and in the process of healing yet

duneplanet

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #215 on: Today at 01:50:59 PM »

this topic needs to be closed its giving me a panic attack. ive gotten barely any helpful info and I now know that this site really just seems to be quite unhelpful.(with a few exceptions) thanks

“Why should you want any other
When you’re a world within a world?”Elliott Smithbeen addicted to klonopin when I was 17 for 2 years. healed completely and used benzos a few times a month with no problems after 2 years. got addicted again june 2010, 1 mg of ativan. tapered in july and hopped off .25 valium at the end of september 2010. still wi thdrawing but hoping this withdrawl wont take as long cause I was only on for 3 months.

ForeverTense

 

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #216 on: Today at 01:53:34 PM »

Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 01:09:57 PM

this is all paranoid dellusion on both your parts.

all of it.

you are both very sick

i feel sorry for you.

And how do you thing we liked you enabling the detestable stuff that Mike59 did here? Instead of apologizing for supporting him, you are trying to paint us as villains.  that is unfair, Zoe. If you avoid starting drama, I will be more than happy to not speak up. I came to this forum in June, and almost right away Mike 59 , you and a few others ganged up on me.  If you show me you are different, I will be glad to accept that .  I am friendly by nature, and this petty arguing increases my anxiety.But, I , unlike you am not over the wd yet.  I need this place, jsut like I have since June when I found myself attacked by the troll Mike59, and you and several troll enablers.  JIM

She likes it Jim. She loves the drama man..Flick has hit the nail right on the head. This is why she hates Flick so much. She knows what he says is the truth and and so do many others. I found this out many months ago when I stopped posting to her blog. Yeah, Mike is still here undercover and he will be here for some time to come but he has to stay in stealth mode to avoid detection. I will admit the forum is a lot more peaceful now with the Mike59 moniker under lock and key. Mike is even bragging @ wordpress about still being here and posting on blogs and other areas of the forum. He is the biggest internet troll I have ever encountered. You will likely never see another one like him again. He is sort of a legend I suppose.
–carl


ForeverTense

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #217 on: Today at 01:56:47 PM »

Quote from: Flick on Today at 01:42:14 PM

Wow, Zoe is either in outer space  or just in “denial”   I won’t say “liar” though   So “Mike 59”,   “C” , “James”  and other socks are all “paranoid delusions” of mine.   uh sure thing.  that is EXACTLY what Mike 59 has always said.  Yep paranoid delusions.  it never happened none of it.   just a figment of my imagination.  now who is really “sick” here? not me.      Flick      Your buddy Screaming Mimi used to say the same hooey too.   talk about mean spirited.   but the truth can’t just be swept under the carpet like Zoe would like to do

Sure she deserves it is she keeps lying through her teeth like this.   to say nothing ever happened here and that it is all a paranoid delusion of mine is beyond lying. it is the sick stuff. perhaps you could go over to mike’s wordpress blog, Heather, and see what kind of fun he is having with yu and your husband, eh? so it never happened? sure thing.  I am not the delusional liar here  so sorry

Yeah, he is really doing a # on Heather over there.
–carl


Befuddled
Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #218 on: Today at 02:07:25 PM »

Quote from: ForeverTense on Today at 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 01:09:57 PM

this is all paranoid dellusion on both your parts.

all of it.

you are both very sick

i feel sorry for you.

And how do you thing we liked you enabling the detestable stuff that Mike59 did here? Instead of apologizing for supporting him, you are trying to paint us as villains.  that is unfair, Zoe. If you avoid starting drama, I will be more than happy to not speak up. I came to this forum in June, and almost right away Mike 59 , you and a few others ganged up on me.  If you show me you are different, I will be glad to accept that .  I am friendly by nature, and this petty arguing increases my anxiety.But, I , unlike you am not over the wd yet.  I need this place, jsut like I have since June when I found myself attacked by the troll Mike59, and you and several troll enablers.  JIM

She likes it Jim. She loves the drama man..Flick has hit the nail right on the head. This is why she hates Flick so much. She knows what he says is the truth and and so do many others. I found this out many months ago when I stopped posting to her blog. Yeah, Mike is still here undercover and he will be here for some time to come but he has to stay in stealth mode to avoid detection. I will admit the forum is a lot more peaceful now with the Mike59 moniker under lock and key. Mike is even bragging @ wordpress about still being here and posting on blogs and other areas of the forum. He is the biggest internet troll I have ever encountered. You will likely never see another one like him again. He is sort of a legend I suppose.
–carl

Yes, It would really be very hard to imagine a bigger forum troll.  I suppose those who had a need to vent behind the troll felt safe as long as he ran the show here.  Now the game’s over for now, with that kind of lying and attacking.  I offered the olive branch to Zoe, but she does not want to accept that.  I think she really resents us standing up to the big troll, and his subsequent banishment from this forum.  The serpent was cast out of the garden.  Now he is angry, and writhing in impotent rage, taking cheap potshots at those he formerly attacked on the forum.  If Zoe and others want to rewrite history about Mike59 and how others here helped him attack, they can .  That is their revision of true history.  As far as the Mike59 troll activity it is still here.  he has several sock accounts and a few people who want to impress Mike59 left for whatever reason.  Mikey you are an impotent little troll, and this place is better for being free of the name brand Mike59.  It will take a long time to build up another persona of that dimension here.  Sock puppets lie CharR and M49 don’t hack it.


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

Julie51

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #219 on: Today at 02:08:43 PM »

Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 04:24:13 AM

no flick it was not he who called my parents,  i know who it was

you would be surprised, good try,

i do not know what you are talking about,  me being attacked, enabling trolls etc etc

you all need to grow up,  you guys are sick beyond words,

you are making everyone here miserable

Julie apologized to me via pm,   but she could not bring herself to do it publically,  i dont’ get it.  what is wrong with all of you.

Zoe, please don’t say that “I couldn’t bring myself to apologize publicly.” You Pmed me that I hurt your feelings and I pmed back, “I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.” End of story.  I was simply answering your PM. Do you want me to say publicly that I am sorry you feel hurt? Ok, I’ll say it. I am sorry you feel hurt.  But frankly, what did I do personally to hurt you? Please copy and paste my “hurtful” comments because I reread everything I wrote on this thread and can’t find one hurtful comment I made to you or to anyone else here. I feel I am very diplomatic in my posts. I did disagree (politely, I feel) with Mark, but I never said anything cruel or mean.
Anytime anyone tells me I hurt their feelings, I always apologize. I don’t like people to be hurt, especially if I did something to cause it. But please be fair, What did I really do or say that was hurtful? If anyone out there can find a mean post of mine in the public forum,  I would like to know about it.

I make it my policy to try to disagree with people on the issues without attacking someone personally. Please, please copy and paste my “hurtful” post to you. I am dying to read it because I simply can’t find it and doubt it exists.


prescribed 3 mg ativan in Aug. 2008/tapered off ativan by Oct. 6, 2008. Became dependent on ambien between Nov, 15, 2008 and Jan. 20, 2009. Dropped the ambien and switched to valium on Jan. 20, 2009. Tapered off valium over three months and became benzo free on April 22, 2009.

Befuddled

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #220 on: Today at 02:14:51 PM »

Quote from: ForeverTense on Today at 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: Flick on Today at 01:42:14 PM

Wow, Zoe is either in outer space  or just in “denial”   I won’t say “liar” though   So “Mike 59”,   “C” , “James”  and other socks are all “paranoid delusions” of mine.   uh sure thing.  that is EXACTLY what Mike 59 has always said.  Yep paranoid delusions.  it never happened none of it.   just a figment of my imagination.  now who is really “sick” here? not me.      Flick      Your buddy Screaming Mimi used to say the same hooey too.   talk about mean spirited.   but the truth can’t just be swept under the carpet like Zoe would like to do

Sure she deserves it is she keeps lying through her teeth like this.   to say nothing ever happened here and that it is all a paranoid delusion of mine is beyond lying. it is the sick stuff. perhaps you could go over to mike’s wordpress blog, Heather, and see what kind of fun he is having with yu and your husband, eh? so it never happened? sure thing.  I am not the delusional liar here  so sorry

Yeah, he is really doing a # on Heather over there.
–carl

Yes, and it is a crying shame , Carl.  Heather is a very nice intelliget lady who has helped many on this forum.   JIM


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

Flick

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #221 on: Today at 02:19:36 PM »

Quote from: duneplanet on Today at 01:50:59 PM
this topic needs to be closed its giving me a panic attack. ive gotten barely any helpful info and I now know that this site really just seems to be quite unhelpful.(with a few exceptions) thanks

Sorry, Duneplanet.  I think yu know what you have to do to help yourself the best you can anyhow. What you are going through and will still go through for some time to come is very hard and frustrating, since nothing seems to help much. but I bet if you can stay off the benzos and just maintain the best you can, you will get better   /

Here is a good example .  A wonderful British woman , who was a very long time member here and poster , was “mentally ill” and on many psyche drugs for many years , something like 20. I mean harsh psyche drugs besides just benzos. she got off benzos and all the other drugs too eventually and went through a long period of pain and fear and difficulty and eventually has healed up. she does not post anymore , but her last posts over the last months she was here were great.  she has been off ALL drugs for years now and is happy and doing well.  See what you have to look forward too if you hang in there and stay strong?  and you are still young yet. she was much much older when she started on this hard journey.

Don’t worry about this thread either.  anytime anyone starts posting anything about any natural approach to healing , the troll or one of his fake people attacks it and tries to destroy the thread.   it has been going on for a long time here now. try not to pay any attention{hard I know} /  just do what you think is best for you.  Flick


on 1.25mg klon 2 years crossed to 25mg val been tapering 9 months down to 13 and suffering my butt off cutting .5mg every 12 to 14 days down to 11mg. had a good 2 months of less depression and more energy crashing again now  sedation and depression back plus fear and anxiety lots of fun now at 6mg using liquid daily titration and doing much better at 5 now and holding due to sx 1.5mg and cutting .5mg a month done in 3 or 4 more months .3mg now done in 5 weeks  finished taper of 2.5 years on Nov 23 08  am four months off and in the process of healing yet

Befuddled

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #222 on: Today at 02:21:21 PM »

Quote from: Julie51 on Today at 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: zoe123 on Today at 04:24:13 AM

no flick it was not he who called my parents,  i know who it was

you would be surprised, good try,

i do not know what you are talking about,  me being attacked, enabling trolls etc etc

you all need to grow up,  you guys are sick beyond words,

you are making everyone here miserable

Julie apologized to me via pm,   but she could not bring herself to do it publically,  i dont’ get it.  what is wrong with all of you.

Zoe, please don’t say that “I couldn’t bring myself to apologize publicly.” You Pmed me that I hurt your feelings and I pmed back, “I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.” End of story.  I was simply answering your PM. Do you want me to say publicly that I am sorry you feel hurt? Ok, I’ll say it. I am sorry you feel hurt.  But frankly, what did I do personally to hurt you? Please copy and paste my “hurtful” comments because I reread everything I wrote on this thread and can’t find one hurtful comment I made to you or to anyone else here. I feel I am very diplomatic in my posts. I did disagree (politely, I feel) with Mark, but I never said anything cruel or mean.
Anytime anyone tells me I hurt their feelings, I always apologize. I don’t like people to be hurt, especially if I did something to cause it. But please be fair, What did I really do or say that was hurtful? If anyone out there can find a mean post of mine in the public forum,  I would like to know about it.
I make it my policy to try to disagree with people on the issues without attacking someone personally. Please, please copy and paste my “hurtful” post to you. I am dying to read it because I simply can’t find it and doubt it exists.

See what we’ve been up against? Zoe plants these mysterious hints of something going on , that seem to exist only in her mind.  I like Zoe, and wish her well, but she seems to be addicted to high drama.  Is she fooling herself or trying to fool others?   That remains an open question , as far as I’m concerned.      JIM


Many years of prescribed benzos, used for insomnia.
Last benzo use, around  April 26, 2010.
Got off by dry cutting fairly fast from 1 mg of ativan.
Not a doctor or health care person. Just offering friendly advice based on personal experiences.  Good luck, all my forum friends.  JIM

Mark49

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #223 on: Today at 02:22:07 PM »

Quote from: Heather on Today at 01:37:33 PM
Zoe does not deserve this.  Stop it.

I was on 14 mg valium equiv. in September 2009. I quit c/t ativan, valium, ambien, lunesta, and 5 other drugs for insomnia. Entered into living hell for 6 days! I then reinstated/crossed over to 5 mg liquid diazepam. That was too low, I did not know any better, and then I cut too fast down to 4.5 mg in 6 days-don’t do this!
I jumped from .14 mg V on August 2, 2010. I cut .12 every 7 days. I tapered for 40 weeks. FREEDOM!!!!“Physicians pour drugs of which they know little to cure diseases of which they know less, into humans of whom they know nothing.” Voltaire (1694-1778)

duneplanet

Re: best supplements for sleep?
« Reply #224 on: Today at 02:24:10 PM »

this is all truly pathetic I mean who gives a s**t a lot of us are losing our f**king minds and going into psychosis and everyones perpetuating this petty drama crap.the point of this topic was to get help for sleep cause im going crazy and you people really arent helping anymore

just saw your post flick thank you/ that gives me some hope. I wish i never got into this pharmacuitcal mess I woyuld have eventually learned to cope on my o wn. I could have easily survived on kava kava and kratom everyday, maybe some p henibut a few tiems a week but I had to trust doctors and get put on all this crap that i cant get off. Sometimes I feel like i should just go back on benzos cause it really doesnt matter. the typing is so lud that it hurts my ears. i need sleep


“Why should you want any other
When you’re a world within a world?”Elliott Smithbeen addicted to klonopin when I was 17 for 2 years. healed completely and used benzos a few times a month with no problems after 2 years. got addicted again june 2010, 1 mg of ativan. tapered in july and hopped off .25 valium at the end of september 2010. still wi thdrawing but hoping this withdrawl wont take as long cause I was only on for 3 months.

FORTY DRUG NIGHTMARE

Doctors put me on 40 different meds for bipolar and depression
« on: June 02, 2016, 05:30:28 am »

[Buddie]

Source: https://medium.com/invisible-illness/doctors-put-me-on-40-different-meds-for-bipolar-and-depression-it-almost-killed-me-c5e4fbea2816#.7kfi3px5m

Tears were flooding down my face. Textbooks, highlighters, and my laptop were strewn across the bed, along with my crumpled body. I sobbed into my pillow, in hopes that it would all go away. Deep, low depressive swings had once again returned to my life. Despite my outward appearance as a highly motivated 21-year-old college student, my energy was sapped. It was getting harder to concentrate, harder to get out of bed, harder to get through the day without weeping.

My psychiatrist had been changing my medication in hopes of finding an anti-depressant combination that would help me to feel like my passionate self again. It wasn’t working. That night I called my friends and family crying. I needed to vent and release some of my pent-up sorrow. I needed to connect with people who would understand. I needed loved ones to help me hold a bit of the gut-wrenching, depressive pain that flowed through every inch of my body. After I hung up, I felt a bit better. I set my alarm for an early morning wake-up to get in some studying before finals the next day. I hazily drifted off to sleep, salty tears drying on my cheek.

A couple of hours later, my heart erupted with panic as two armed police officers burst into my tiny dorm room. I was half-naked, shaking my head in terror as one cop ripped open drawer after drawer, barking “Where are your pills?” Another police officer got in my face and demanded an answer to the question, “Are you going to kill yourself?”

One of the police officers shoved a phone in my ear. On the other end was a psychiatrist I’d never spoken with before. With terror in my voice, I told him I wasn’t going to kill myself, that I was just letting off some steam. I pleaded and begged with him to tell the officers to leave — not to handcuff me and take me to the psychiatric ward that night.

I was lucky. Something I said convinced the doctor I didn’t need to be placed on a mandatory involuntary hold in a mental hospital. But if the color of my skin wasn’t white, or if I wasn’t cisgender, or at an affluent college, I may not have been so lucky. People of color face disproportionate risk of violence in police encounters — and police are the first responders in mental health crises.

I didn’t make it to my finals the next day. I had stayed up most of the night, trembling with fear, so when the sun finally rose, I took a long, warm shower. Sitting on the bathroom floor, back pressed against the wall, fingers shaking, I dialed the number of my psychiatrist. I wasn’t sobbing this time. My tone was distant and my gaze was glassy and vacant. She convinced me to check myself into the psychiatric ward. In a haze, I slowly packed items into a bag and a man I’d never met before dropped me off for my first psychiatric ward visit.

Within an hour of checking into the hospital, I knew I needed to leave. The air was thick with pain. People wandered the fluorescent lit halls. Like mine, their eyes were vacuous. When someone erupted in an expression of intense emotion, doctors swiftly followed the outburst with sedatives. There was no wellness here. After several hours, I packed my bag, walked up to the front desk and told the secretary:

“I’d like to check out.”

“You can’t leave.”

“… I came here voluntarily.”

If you walk through those doors, we’ll place a mandatory involuntary hold on you and put you in there,” she motioned toward the ward next to mine, where I would’ve been taken last night.

My breath grew heavier and my eyes darted back and forth. I was trapped. Still reeling from the previous evening, my heart was beating out of my chest. I slowly curled in a fetal position on the hospital floor. I was having a panic attack. Two doctors in white coats and clipboards hovered over me. After a few minutes, they medicated me and I drifted into sleep.

I had never been suicidal before being locked in a mental hospital.

Much of my stay there was a blur of medications. I laid on my back in a cold bed for days, for the first time wanting to die. I shuffled off to group therapy in my gray hospital socks, listened to the screams of my neighbors, peered into the ward next door, and obliged when student doctors and clergy came into my room and asked if I wanted to pray or take long surveys about my mental health. I took the surveys but declined the prayers.

Sometime during my stay doctors etched the diagnosis “Bipolar Disorder” onto my chart. My brow furrowed with confusion. I had managed intense OCD and anxiety since I was in elementary school, and yes, over the last several years, I had waves of depression, but otherwise I was high-functioning: I took the maximum course load, got straight A’s, worked multiple jobs, led several campus organizations, and performed in numerous plays simultaneously. I thrived off the adrenaline of being busy. I crackled with ideas and buzzed with creativity. My energy and passion were my greatest assets, how could that be an illness?

The diagnosis was the first time I really tried to understand myself in the context of pathology. Someone who barely knew me combed through my traits and behaviors and labeled it as a disease. Bipolar Disorder. Grappling with this new way of understanding my identity, I felt my brain begin to slow with each fistful of pills I dutifully swallowed. I wasn’t on merely a drug or two — I was on four or five and counting. Antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, antidepressants, sleep drugs, anxiety pills, each addressing a side effect brought on by the last one. My energy, passion, and strong-will began to fade away as apathy and lethargy settled in. I said “yes” more. I didn’t really care what happened.

The psychiatric ward released me to a halfway house for people with mental health challenges. The doctors at the house sat my worried parents down and told them that I was ill. That my academic and personal accomplishments were not something to be proud of: They were a product of my bipolar mania. The doctors’ answer? An expensive combination of pills that would help me be happy, stable, and “normal.”

After awhile I somehow managed to get back into the swing of school. On the surface it appeared like I was thriving, but people close to me knew I was very unwell. My health declined rapidly. The medications made it almost impossible to wake up for class in the morning. My father, recently laid off from his job at a car dealership after being diagnosed with cancer, drove 45 minutes to my school everyday to wake me up and drive me across campus to class.

My once sharp memory dissipated. I used to be an actress, performing in multiple shows at a time, easily remembering every single line. Creativity was a core part of my identity and wellness. Now I would read one line over and over again, unable to retain a word. I did my last performance with a script in hand. Each time I left the stage, I vomited profusely before coming back on again — another side effect of the medications. Eventually, I stopped performing altogether.

Over time, I developed dependence on the anti-anxiety drug ativan, which I was prescribed to take every day, multiple times a day. On top of my other medications, my doctor prescribed me 20mg adderall to help get me up the morning, followed by 2mg ativan to reduce the teeth-chattering anxiety brought on by the morning’s strong upper. Then I would take another adderall mid-day to bring me up, followed by another dose of ativan. When panic attacks hit — which they frequently did — I would take multiple ativan at a time. Once, I collapsed on the floor of a campus building. A woman working at the front desk found me passed out cold on the floor and called my partner to pick me up.

“I’m just really tired,” I told her.

I gained 125 pounds and was diagnosed with sleep apnea. I started taking a daily hormone to treat a thyroid disorder, which I developed from my mood stabilizer lithium. (The damage from lithium was permanent, I still need to use the thyroid hormone to this day.) I started experiencing severe, incapacitating migraines where I would need to lay in complete darkness for days at a time, vomiting relentlessly, occasionally making a trip to the ER. Migraine preventatives and painkillers were just another addition to my daily fistful of medications.

I barely survived those two years, but still somehow managed to graduate with two degrees, honors, and a Fulbright Scholarship. I even received several academic awards that came with monetary prizes. But my money was gone in the next several months, every cent going to out-of-pocket medication expenses. Lithium alone was $300 a month.

My family didn’t have a lot of money, but we made ends meet. I was better off than most. When I didn’t have an income or home, I stayed with my supportive parents in a safe place. Unfortunately, many marginalized people with mental health challenges don’t have access to this kind of luxury; for many, comprehensive mental health treatment is prohibitively expensive. My family went into debt to pay for medications and treatment because my doctors told me I was sick and needed them. We complied without question.

I never went on my Fulbright scholarship. As my medication count climbed, I slowed to a halt. I stopped being able to drive. Despite my costly treatments, panic and depression still overwhelmed me. I was unable to function. I didn’t feel anything anymore.

Over a five-year period, I was on more than 40 medications. The side effects brought me to the edge of my physical and emotional limits. My body broke out in hives and red bumps. One medication made it difficult to take deep breaths for several weeks. I was either up all night wired in panic or sleeping for 12+ hours. I ate everything I could find or I didn’t eat for days, the thought of food making me feel sick. I was horny all the time and then I didn’t want to be touched.

I couldn’t leave my room. All of my memories became jumbled and I couldn’t tell if I had made a situation up or if it had actually happened. I didn’t recognize myself anymore, physically or mentally. I couldn’t see any way out of this deep pain and numbness. I would lie on my side and stare at the dozen pill bottles on my counter and the boxes of partially used medications that I had been prescribed then taken off of. I laid awake thinking about how easy it would be to swallow every pill in the bottles and drift off into a state where I wouldn’t feel unrelenting emptiness and agony.

Soon my psychiatrist had a new diagnosis for me: Treatment Resistant Depressive. Because I had taken every psychiatric drug on the market in different combinations and still felt depressed, there was no cure for me and we had to take a more drastic measure: Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, a cousin of electroshock therapy. My old self would have resisted. My over-medicated self was much more passive and docile. I didn’t put up a fight, I didn’t care. I felt dead already. And I would have gone through with the procedure if my insurance hadn’t denied me the service because it was too expensive.

A small voice inside of me thought: “I need to get off these medications.”

I devoted the next three years to the challenging, painstaking process of coming off my 10+ drug cocktail. I left my psychiatrist for a new one, a person I told, “I just want to get off of my meds to establish a baseline.” She reluctantly agreed. She didn’t have the vision or understanding of my mission, and I quickly found that my own research outpaced what she knew about the drugs.

Medication is a tool: Some people’s lives are saved by the right combination. Other people respond better to wellness options outside of the mainstream. Cannabis helped ease my depression, anxiety, pain, mood swings, and sleep challenges. Not only alleviating some of my mental and physical pain, cannabis centered me in gratitude and gave me some much-needed motivation and energy. I could now do short errands, drive around the block, even get to my own doctor appointments on public transportation — huge accomplishments for me. It was also the first time I was in control of my own dosing.

Tapering did not come without challenges, however. A whole new batch of withdrawal symptoms entered my life: My entire body itched, and I would scratch until I bled; I frequently woke up convulsing, my body drenched in a cold sweat; my moods were unpredictable; my anxiety, overwhelming. I menstruated everyday for months at a time. And yet, with each medication I eliminated, I became more myself again. I went to a sliding-scale community acupuncture clinic which relieved me of some of the physical and emotional pain of withdrawal. Weight started coming off. I no longer had sleep apnea. My migraines persisted but with less intensity.

As I began to read about alternative mental health frameworks, I realized that I am not sick with mental illness — I live in a sick society and have “dangerous gifts”: They need to be handled with care, but they are also my sources of passion, connectivity, creativity, and drive.

Now I identify as “neurodivergent”, a framework through which I transform what I have been taught are my weaknesses, diseases, and shameful secrets into my strengths.

Neurodivergence also recognizes that mental health challenges are deeply tied to societal oppression along lines including race, class, gender identity, and physical disability. Discriminatory barriers often make it even more difficult to access treatment. It’s hard to achieve wellness within a system that profits from our illness. But when our dangerous gifts receive the meaningful support they need, we can transform society. Our greatest challenges become our wellsprings of power.

I am not an anomaly. I am one of many people who barely survived the mental health system. Lots of folks with dangerous gifts are sitting in prison and psychiatric wards right now instead of receiving the support they need. It’s quite likely that you or someone you know has been deeply impacted by mental health challenges — even if that person hasn’t opened up about them. While each of our stories is unique, many of our experiences echo one another’s, reminding us that we are not alone.