No addict should be allowed to get behind the wheel and endanger others

Most of the benzodiazepine addicts, that haunt Benzo Buddies and the secret Facebook groups, describe themselves as totally disabled: needing to crawl to the bathroom, experiencing auditory and visual hallucinations, unable to walk (Alee Sun/Ally Nugent claims she needs a walker years off benzos), claims that a single apple causes a night of myoclonic jerking and that a stick of chewing gum can send them into months-long waves, etc. Why should they be allowed to drive? Do you want to share the road with some poor, mentally ill drug addict who thinks Kentucky Fried Chicken is a government plot to poison them?

During their often years-long tapers, they should lose their driving privileges. As many addicts relapse, post-taper they should be subject to random drug testing – as a condition of the taper. This should be enforced by the state and the prescribing doctor.

Society has to be protected from drug abusers who break the law and drive just as we protect it from drunk drivers.

Norway test drivers for BZO
« on: July 13, 2016, 07:05:52 am »

[Buddie]

http://www.aftenbladet.no/nyheter/Dette-apparatet-har-gitt-UP-en-ny-og-skremmende-rekord-for-ruskjoring-3960544.html

OMG, the repercussions this will have to people who have been off the drug for weeks will be jailed/fine for driving under the influence of BZO, unlike a alcohol test this does not measure a percentage, but just the fact its in your system. I can understand this for truck drives, public transport, but to random test drivers for BZO is outrageous. Because of the fact it not measured in percentage to lawfully drive. Someone who has been off the drug will test for weeks and weeks.

Re: Norway test drivers for BZO
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2016, 08:03:35 am »

[Buddie]

This is actually what got my mother to start her tapering! She put her car in the garage and started the day she found out! I imagine that she is not the only one!

Re: Norway test drivers for BZO
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2016, 08:09:27 am »

[Buddie]

http://nhi.no/livsstil/helsetjenesten/diverse/forerkort-og-b-preparater-35928.html
This thread may be useful to see how it actually will effect drivers with the new rules!

Re: Norway test drivers for BZO
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2016, 08:32:06 am »

[Buddie]

Problem is there is no way to detect the percentage of the drug BZO in your system, unlike driving with illegal drugs, which is understandable, BZO will test you positive, even weeks after stopping, So you will be charged with driving as if you took 3 or 4 10 mg doses, make no difference whether or not you stopped weeks ago. The time and money involved to clear you would be enormous, let alone the jail time and fine, maybe you could win in court but that would be a long and expensive road, and for those that cannot afford will suffer the wrath of the judicial system. I really am frustrated people using BZO prescribed are targeted the same as ifusing cocain or crack or any other illegal drug!

A day in the life of an Ashton cultist

  1. take drugs
  2. plot revenge on doctors/psychiatrists
  3. take more drugs
  4. sit on Facebook commiserating with other accidental addicts
  5. take more drugs
  6. wallow in self-pity
  7. take more drugs
  8. go on rant in tiny Facebook group that fantasizes about a legal case – that will never happen – against Big Pharma
  9. take more drugs
  10. check Benzo Buddies to see if anyone else has been sent into a giant wave by hairspray or bottled water
  11. take more drugs
  12. create an art book no one but other people in the cult will ever see
  13. take more drugs
  14. pretend to other cult members you’re smarter than a doctor or a psychiatrist
  15. take more drugs
  16. plan to taper for 10-20 years, then become protracted
  17. take more drugs
  18. worship one doctor named Ashton – who treated less that 400 patients, most of which were on other drugs – as a demi-god
  19. take more drugs
  20. deny you ever abused illegal drugs, like LSD
  21. take more drugs
  22. scan the media for any mention of benzos, then fly into a rage if a TV show offends you
  23. take more drugs
  24. be afraid, be very afraid, of butter
  25. take more drugs
  26. deny your psychiatrist’s diagnosis because mental illness does not exist
  27. take more drugs
  28. deny any connection to Scientology/CCHR but repeat exactly what they say about drugs/psychiatry
  29. take more drugs
  30. pass out at your computer

Benzo Buddies-induced food phobias burn out of control

Fatigue after eating
« on: January 31, 2016, 02:03:21 pm »

[Buddie]

I saw a post about this but it was dated more than a couple of years ago so I decided to post a new one.

This past week I’ve noticed that I suddenly feel exhausted and weak right after I have my dinner. I can barely drag myself to bed I feel so tired and groggy. It does eases up in a couple of hours and it’s not so bad during the day. Anyone else experience this? Anything that might help?
« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 02:25:36 pm by [Buddie] »

Re: Fatigue after eating
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2016, 06:33:13 pm »

[Buddie]

Could it be what you are eating or does it happen no matter what you eat? It could be your body working hard to digest. I notice symptoms with eating as well…..sometimes I feel more revved up and feel a strange tremor or vibration through my body.

Re: Fatigue after eating
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2016, 06:59:04 pm »

[Buddie]

Eating and digestion are a huge tax on the body. Many people, including myself, report an increase in all kinds of symptoms due to eating. All part of the deal. I try to avoid putting stuff in my stomach as much as I can, cause it really revs me up .

EMERGENCY ROOM NIGHTMARE

Anyone else been told this?
« on: January 17, 2016, 09:13:40 pm »

[Buddie]

Night before last i went to the ER and the doctor there told me that after 2 weeks off of xanax, the symptoms I’m having are no longer physical. He thinks I’m no longer in the acute phase of withdrawal and that it’s all anxiety causing the symptoms. This doesn’t make a lot of sense to me for a few reasons.
1. He doesn’t have any idea how bad my anxiety is or what it’s been like during my taper.
2. I’ve had these same symptoms at the worst parts of the taper.
3. I was feeling bad, but bearable, and then suddenly I woke up feeling awful a couple days ago, so why would it just pop up out of nowhere?
4. I don’t doubt anxiety contributes to symptoms, but to cause all of this by itself seems like too much. I’ve had anxiety make me nauseous, but not all of this.
5. That’s the first time I’ve heard anyone say that after two weeks, the symptoms would be gone.
6. Everyone I’ve talked to here on the site has said it may take months for things to disappear.

This guy bragged first thing that he and his team were experts on withdrawal of all kinds. I listed off my symptoms to him and he said “all the things your having are not typical withdrawal symptoms. We don’t associate these with withdrawal at all”

okay, so nausea isnt?
tremors arent?
headaches?
dizziness?
on and on
none of those are withdrawal symptoms? I guess millions of people are full of shit then
how could a doctor think this?
thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard

i laid on a bed for six hours crying and shaking, trying not to throw up, waiting to be seen at all, and then this idiot tells me its all in my head and that everything ive gone through for 7 months is nothing.

Re: Anyone else been told this?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 09:21:20 pm »

[Buddie]

Don’t believe it

It’s real!

Re: Anyone else been told this?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2016, 09:30:35 pm »

[Buddie]

What absolute nonsense! This guy knows nothing about benzos. :crazy: Two weeks off is, unfortunately, just the beginning for many of us.

Re: Anyone else been told this?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2016, 09:35:11 pm »

[Buddie]

I was told the same thing the one time I went to the ER shortly after my own Xanax taper was finished. I had extremely high blood pressure and my doctor had told me to go if it got that high.

I was treated very patronizingly by the hospital staff, diagnosed with panic attack (it was not) and offered Klonopin. I sat in a chair, a nurse came in and patted me on the shoulder and took my BP …for $1500.

In a way it is anxiety, but it’s not the type of anxiety he’s referring to. Your central nervous system is pretty fragile and any little thing is likely to set you off.

Benzodiazepine withdrawal is an animal of a different nature and from what I’ve heard and seen, few ER docs or other medical personnel are ‘experts’.

Most people here consider the first month off to be acute. That was about how long it took my worst symptoms to settle down… probably four to six weeks and then things got easier.

Re: Anyone else been told this?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2016, 09:38:58 pm »

[Buddie]

Laura I’m sorry you are suffering bad enough to go to the ER for help. Yours is a sad but familiar story about clueless health care professionals who don’t know anything about benzo withdrawal. The level of ignorance is truly shocking. How can this be after 50 years? You can understand how your friends and family who don’t have a medical background might be clueless, but doctors? It makes for a lonely and solitary journey with very little empathy and understanding, except for this forum.

:smitten:
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Re: Anyone else been told this?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 09:40:37 pm »

[Buddie]

He is exaggerating about being an “expert”. Most ER docs I have ever seen arent very benzo educated.

Accidental addict wants to dive into pill bottle after psychotic reaction to glass of fruit juice

18 month off, a simple fruit juce put me down
« on: January 14, 2016, 06:19:42 pm »

[Buddie]

here we are, 18 month after, a simple glass of fruit juce and my symptoms raves up realy bad i feel anxious and hyperactiv and fainting because it’s too much sugar in my blood too quick and my CNS cant deal with it

what the point to hang in there at this point ?

body is just completly ruined from this poison, adrnenal HPa axis, CNS, all my body is just completly ruined

Might probably reinstate if nothing change this month, just debilating life and symptoms dont know what the point to suffer like this if reinstatement and updose stabilise me and permit me to have something wich is like a “life”

Will not deal with this hell anymore month, nothing change after 18 month it will not at 2 years so what the point ?

i have to wait for improvement for 3-4 years ? Nop i will not, dont have any faith or power anymore to hang on for this long
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 06:24:57 pm by [Buddie] »

Kook claims dozens of symptoms after two months of sporadic Klonopin use

This is why you don't stop Benzos abruptly
« on: January 13, 2016, 06:36:32 pm »

[Buddie]

Sorry if this post is going to ramble. I just wanted to let people know that abrupt discontinuation of a benzodiazepine has real consequences and risks even if it was only used intermittently on low doses . To get an idea of how bad it can be, just look at what I am going through.

On September 11, I stopped using .25 mg of Klonopin. My use of the Klonopin before that was probably 1-3 times a week over the course of 2 months. Since my discontinuation of the drug, I have experienced a lot of symptoms. The physical symptoms have been:

Akathisia / Restless Leg Syndrome
Paresthesia ( Primarily Stabbing and Burning sensations in my feet but other areas of my body as well)
Muscle Twitching and Tremors
Vibration feeling in my chest, head, and thighs
Brutal Insomnia
Ringing in the ears / Tinnitus
Heart Palpitations ( pounding heart, fluttering / probable pvc’s )
Elevated Heart Rate after exercise ( Heart rate stays higher for longer than my normal after exercise )
Jittery feeling after any significant physical exertion ( exercise, going up a lot of stairs, etc.)
Chest Pain
Respiratory Depression
Electric Shock Sensations
Full Body Jerks
Sugar / Alcohol Intolerance

The Mental Symptoms have been:

Anxiety
Depression
Benzo Rage
Suicidal Ideation

BTW, I would like to mention that these symptoms hit me like a bolt out of the blue. 3 days after stopping the drug, these symptoms started up and then I was in hell for a couple of weeks.
I have had some medical testing done regarding the heart palpitations and chest pain ( EKG, blood work to check for possible heart attack, Chest X Ray for cardiac myopathy ) and everything came back ok. I am going to have some more testing done though I have a pretty good suspicion that the chest pain is not cardiac related ( localized not diffuse, pain is associated with movement and manipulation of the area, pain is measured in seconds ).

I am currently over 4 months off the Klonopin and I still am experiencing some physical symptoms ( diminshed paresthesia, heart palpitations, chest pain, akathisia, sugar intolerance, muscle twitching, tinnitus ) but amped up mental symptoms ( high anxiety, anger, depression). All of this is compounded by the fact that I am working in a high stress job and trying to be a good father / husband.

To put it briefly, I was an idiot and stopped using this stuff abruptly. Please don’t do I what I did. You are rolling the dice if you CT and you can end up in a world of hurt like I am or worse ( possibly much worse ). Tapering is hard and tedious but you will likely save yourself a lot of anguish by doing it.

Good Luck Everybody

A coupe of great inspirational movie quotes:

“You , me or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done!”
Rocky – Sylvester Stallone
Movie: Rocky Balboa

“And we can stay here, get the sh!t kicked out of us…or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell…one inch at a time.”
Coach Tony D’Amato – Al Pacino
Movie: Any Given Sunday

Re: This is why you don't stop Benzos abruptly
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2016, 07:43:40 pm »

[Buddie]

First let me say I am sorry you are going through all this. I know how you feel.

Last week I ended up in the back of an ambulance and in the ER because I had quit xanax C/T and I was taking a very high dose. I blacked out/passed out and had a seizure, it was very scary. I don’t remember anything except waking up with EMT’s standing over me asking me if I knew my name. Thank God my husband was there and my kids were not.

Thankfully I am ok now, I am trying to taper down my dosage by .5mg once a week until I get to .25mg then I plan to jump CT from there. I also use cannabis to help curb the withdrawal symptoms, and cannabis has also been known to be effective at curbing seizures so hopefully I won’t end up at the hospital again.

Death by brainwashing: Is a doctor involved? Help!

Thunderstorm in the head
« on: December 28, 2015, 01:21:42 pm »

[Buddie]

I am having an awful time and I would really like to know, if anybody has experienced something like this:

After a dramatic life event I had what felt like a nervous breakdown and ever since then I have

– the feeling of having a thunderstorm in my brain
– thoughts are so LOUD and completely chaotic
– “movies” playing in the head
pictures come to mind all the time
– cannot tolerate ANY kind of stress
extreme paranoia (I am even afraid of my father)
– anxiety over the top non stop
feeling psychotic
– terrible knocking in my head all the time

And even the smallest things (EVERYTHING that makes me feel that I HAVE to do it) give me such a panic and the feeling of having another nervous breakdown NOW. I need three weeks to calm down again after something that “stressed” me (ridiculous things cause there is not really much going on here). I have the feeling that I stuck in something after the nervous breakdown, which is already 4 months ago now. It feels like I will just never come out of that.

Please, has anybody experienced a dramatic life event during wd or had a nervous breakdown? How did you handle that? I feel I have to go to a doctor soon if it will not get better SOON cause I don`t know how to handle it anymore. I cannot relax anymore at all. And that knocking in my head is driving me so crazy and really feels scary.

If anybody had similar experiences, please tell me.
Thank you all.

Re: Thunderstorm in the head
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015, 08:20:58 pm »

[Buddie]

I feel like that all the time. Never feel relaxed and peaceful. Every thought brings a jolt of adrenalin. Every situation is stressful and causes my heart to pound. Can’t enjoy anything and don’t know what to do with myself. Can this really be withdrawal?