Kook lays down towels to soak up benzo sweat

Why do I sweat so much at night?
« on: February 23, 2017, 04:48:57 am »

[Buddie]

The night sweats are really bad for me. The first 30 days it was terrible. I had to sleep on towels so I could pull them off the bed and lay dry towels down.

But why is it that I sweat so much when I sleep?

When I don’t sleep, I don’t sweat. But if I fall asleep even for an hour or two I wake up and everything is drenched. Does anyone know why this happens?

YouTube benzo videos terrify cult members

I saw scary videos on youtube. Are they true?
« on: December 29, 2016, 12:34:46 am »

[Buddie]

I am about to begin my liquid taper of klonopin this week. I went online to see how other people were doing it just for some pointers and some of the people on youtube make titration sound like it is impossible. One person on there who posted alot looks like she is about to die. Please tell me she is just nuts. This was very discouraging and it scared the h#### out of me.

After thirty years addict wants off benzo merry-go-round

30 year Headache!
« on: October 16, 2016, 01:09:45 pm »

[Buddie]

In 1986 I was prescribed Ativan…….In 1995 Diazepam was substituted. until the last year I was unable to come of Benzos. This time last year I was on 40mg of Diazepam daily ( Taken in one go in the morning ) I was told by the local GP surgery I had to come off them. What staggers me is the lack of information, total lack of support. I have done my own research. Phoned a helpline in Bristol. Presented an ignorant GP with tapering guidelines. X wanted me to cut from 15mg to 20mg in less than 2 weeks…The withdrawal was horrendous and totally ruined my Christmas and that of other family members. X Told me I was not suffering from Withdrawal 18 days later and told me I was depressed……Giving me anti-depressant medication.”016 has seen me totally on my own try to withdrawal…I am now down to 8mg and am horrified to feel so awful on trying to cut by 1mg every 2 weeks. I live with daily tension headaches and have had them since taking Ativan years ago…they hav3 never gone away. I just want to share with others anything that can be helpful and also to top feeling so alone in this daily struggle. This last week has been one of the worst weeks of my whole life…..Thank you […]

Wikipedia follows Big Pharma’s orders: World Benzo Awareness Day to be deleted, World Toilet Day to remain

Re: they're trying to delete W-BAD wikipedia page - we must act
 « Reply #20 on: July 15, 2016, 08:07:07 pm »

[Buddie]

There are reasonable arguments that it should be a development
page for now, but there are many articles on Wikipedia dealing
with lesser “days”…. so by that standard alone it should remain,
with some improvements. The atrocity of pandemic benzo ruin
requires an awareness day, and an article on WP.
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awareness_days

Re: they're trying to delete W-BAD wikipedia page - we must act
 « Reply #21 on: July 15, 2016, 08:32:23 pm »

[Buddie]

Pig Day
Towel Day
World Turtle Day
World Toilet Day

Unbelievable!

Colin enemy – Jana Hill of benzodetoxrecovery.com / milk micro-taper fame – reinstates on benzos

Jana has reinstated!!!!
« on: June 27, 2016, 11:57:56 pm »

[Buddie]

I have it on solid authority. Evidently her lingering problems from her old site and her disappointment over not getting a patent for her milk microtitration method put her in a wave. She now realized that she tapered too quickly the first time so she has reinstated to 1mg K and will do a proper slow taper this time. Pulling for her.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2016, 12:27:50 pm »

[Buddie]

OMG !

Jana from that benzodetoxrecovery site ?

I don’t know her history, but it looks like she really messed up. Of course, that’s not uncommon.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 05:51:41 am »

[Buddie]

I have no idea who this poor person even is, but do you two realize you sound rather gleeful about her troubles? You can say that you’re not, but you chose these words, and that’s how they come across. 

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 02:02:42 pm »

[Buddie]

Putting words in my mouth, […] ? You’re one to talk !

I’d never be gleeful about something like that. It’s tragic.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2016, 05:37:42 pm »

[Buddie]

Okay, I misspoke. It was […] who sounded gleeful with this exclamation-pointed announcement. You, […], were merely judgmental. Since to reinstate means a person was at least off the drugs for some period of time–a goal you yourself are apparently yet to achieve in this journey–where do you get off tut-tutting that she “really messed up?”

And what was the point of posting this sad bit of news in the first place? 

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 09:13:31 pm »

[Buddie]

We have a Report to Moderator about comments on this thread. I have to agree, what is the point of posting this? It’s gossip and it’s unsubstantiated.

That’s my personal opinion, not my ‘admin’ opinion, by the way.

I don’t see any rules broken here, although the quibbling is borderline and needs to stop. However, if this thread continues to be gossipy and contentious it will be locked.

Thanks,
[…]

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 09:21:39 pm »

[Buddie]

The thought of someone suffering so much as to reinstate is heartbreaking.

Re: Jana has reinstated!!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 11:39:34 pm »

Colin

There are some unsubstantiated remarks to this thread, but there are some important points I feel I should address irrespective of the factual basis for the claims about Jana’s ‘reinstatement.’

Hi […],

It seems that you (and probably the majority of those reading this thread) are unaware that for many years Jana had her own benzodiazepine withdrawal support forum, where she promoted a system of withdrawal (Dual TitrationTM) which she claimed to be superior to all other methods. She would personally devise individualised withdrawal regimes for her members based upon a secret recipe. She eventually filed for a patent on her method – the patent made little sense to me or anyone I asked to review it. I had nothing to say about Jana and her formula until: 1) her method and her forum were being heavily promoted at BB by a few of her members; and 2) she published her (hitherto secret) method via a patent application.

There was a long thread developing at BB about Jana’s method and patent. At this point I posted some detailed remarks about her method and its promotion at BB. My comments did not go down well with the few individuals attempting to promote Jana’s method at BB. Please note, I never disallowed discussion at BB regarding Jana’s method, her forum or her patent. However, I did heavily (and quite rightly) critique her system and how it was being promoted at BB and elsewhere. It is worth noting that at Jana’s forum (and at BB via her supporters), Prof. Ashton’s protocols were being (groundlessly) demonised as “cut and suffer”. You can read more about this matter and my comments from here, onwards:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=72390.msg973423#msg973423

Anyway, that’s the background. The thing is, if I reinstated benzodiazepines, with my higher online profile within these circles, it probably would be news around here and related spaces. But, it really shouldn’t be. Not, at least, in such ‘shocked tones’. If I reinstated, I could rightly point out that I do not promote my personal experience of withdrawal as being any more valid than that of anyone else. Nor do I promote a personally devised method as being superior to all other methods. In short, I am not a ‘withdrawal guru’ and am careful in how I promote myself to avoid such a mistaken perception. Jana is no more immune than me or anyone else to problems which might lead her to reinstate. My criticism is that Jana should not have played the role of ‘withdrawal guru’. I’ve seen this elsewhere, within and without the benzodiazepine withdrawal community. It is unhealthy and can lead to unrealistic and/or mistaken expectations of outcome (good or bad). Seeing your ‘guru’ falter might lead you to question your own progress. I am sure that being ‘guru’ to many people going through benzodiazepine withdrawal was ever Jana’s intention, but if you do play such a role, others will feel let down when others point out problems with your method, or you suddenly close your forum and cease providing tailored withdrawal services, or when you ‘fail’ in some manner. This is one of the main reasons why BB is organised as a peer-support environment.

I must also address the proposal of reinstatement of benzodiazepines after very many years of abstinence ‘to do the taper properly’: pharmacologically speaking, this makes absolutely no sense! Of course, such a reinstatement does not equate with the reversal of a cut because an individual has tapered too quickly and cannot bear the withdrawal symptoms. Nor does it equate it with someone who has quit (for however long) who subsequently decides to reinstate for whatever (considered) reason. However, I really do wish to nip in the bud the proposal that after a protracted period of abstinence from benzodiazepines that there are any good reasons for reinstatement for the sole purpose of ‘withdrawing again, properly’. I’ve seen this idea crop quite a number of times over the years. It just does not work like that. The three realistic options would be: 1) stay off benzodiazepines; 2) reinstate because it is your (and your doctor’s) considered opinion that this is best for you; or 3) reinstate with a goal of withdrawing sometime in the future when circumstances are better. But to reinstate (after many, many years abstinence) to ‘do withdrawal right’? No way! That’s plain wrong.

Quote from: [Buddie] on June 27, 2016, 11:57:56 pm
I have it on solid authority. Evidently her lingering problems from her old site and her disappointment over not getting a patent for her milk microtitration method put her in a wave. She now realized that she tapered too quickly the first time so she has reinstated to 1mg K and will do a proper slow taper this time. Pulling for her.

I wish Jana very best – I really do. I do not criticise Jana or anyone else who wishes to reinstate their use of benzodiazepines (I refer you all to the BB Mission Statement). But for the benefit of our members and anyone else who might read this thread: there is absolutely no pharmacological benefit/basis to the reinstatement of benzodiazepines years after withdrawal purely for the purposes of supposedly withdrawing again, but this time, ‘properly’.

Church of Ashton’s micro-tapering dogma ruins another life

Why withdrawel at all???
« on: April 03, 2016, 10:24:55 pm »

[Buddie]

over the past two years I have gone from Klonopin to valium. Have reduced from 35mg valium to 16.25mg.
1. I lost my job
2. I feel worse with every reduction
3. I’ve lost weight
4. bad physical problems.
5. Isolated myself from the world because i am in a constant state of panic/ depression
6. cannot function. Drive a car, go to the store etc.
Why did I do all this to myself when I probably could have just upped my klonopin and felt ok. I went 18 years of being on it with no problems. Maybe some people just need to take it for life like cholesterol medicine. It seems like everyone on here talks about the horror of withdrawel and ways to do it but no one sais why they did start to taper. Were some of you fine and just didn’t want to take a pill everyday or did you start to have problems with the meds? If so why not try to take more? I’m just trying to figure this out.