Benzo Buddies member: Ashton is wrong

ASHTON'S WRONG: ALCOHOL/BENZO USE DURING/AFTER WITHDRAWAL
« on: January 08, 2021, 06:26:53 pm »

[Buddie]

While Ashton Manual states that alcohol in moderation and rescue doses (for dental treatments, surgeries, etc.) are fine, many members report anecdotal evidence of it causing setbacks. I myself have been thrown into full-on cold-turkey withdrawal by two-day benzo use. Some may be able to tolerate GABAergic disturbances like these just fine, but many aren’t and I find it irresponsible to have something like that in the Manual. There are people who were even setbacked by supplements, so it’s probably safer to avoid drug-strength stuff like benzos and alcohol.

From “The natural history of tolerance to the benzodiazepines” by A. Higgitt, P. Fonagy and M. Lader:
Benzodiazepines or cross tolerant drugs, substances such as alcohol should be avoided after discontinuation, even occasionally. These include the nonbenzodiazepines Z-drugs, which have a similar mechanism of action. This is because tolerance to benzodiazepines has been demonstrated to be still present at four months to two years after withdrawal depending on personal biochemistry. Re-exposures to benzodiazepines or cross tolerant drugs typically resulted in a reactivation of the tolerance and benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome.

Now we know this is where that anecdotal rule of “three years of no symptoms” before you can safely drink alcohol comes from.

Benzo Buddies targets famous psychologist Jordan Peterson for cult recruitment (N.B.: Scientology also routinely targets celebrities for cult recruitment)

Re: Jordan Peterson is in rehab for Clonazepam
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2019, 07:31:36 pm »

[Buddie]

maybe this would be a good time to reach out to her? I didn’t care right now about her meat diet. Her father could be goin through what we are going through. They have HUGE platforms. I suggest each of us send her a message wishing him health, sharing some of our story linking to Benzobuddies, , emphasizing the slow taper, and maybe linking to the Ashton manual. His politics and her beliefs are of no concern to me, just as I don’t “care” what any of yours are (in terms of my hope for your healing).

You could do this because it COULD help our cause, or else because it could help a fellow sufferer. Just a thought.

Re: Jordan Peterson is in rehab for Clonazepam
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2019, 09:31:34 pm »

[Buddie]

Here is the email I sent to Dr. Peterson’s daughter’s public email:

Mikhaila,

I’m so very sorry that you are dealing with your father’s klonopin issue, and so soon after your mother’s illness. I too am dependent on klonopin and I am working to get free. I took them as my doctor prescribed and was shocked to find I could not quit. Unfortunately most rehab centers believe in rapid taper, where you are quickly taken off the drug, often with other harmful drugs added to the mix.

This rarely works and often leads to long term damage.

The only safe way to heal from physical dependence (which is very different than addiction) is to slowly taper down. Addiction is a craving and can possibly be overcome by willpower, dependence is physiological and can happen with klonopin in as little as 4 weeks. It doesnÂ’t matter if it was used as prescribed or not. The dependency issue is the same.

Tapering, the slow reduction of the drug over months, is the only way to safely get through this without causing further (and perhaps permanent damage).

I would refer you to the best manual on benzo withdrawal, the Ashton Manual.

https://benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm

The webpage is a little old fashioned but the information is critical.

Also, the best support group, with people who can supply tapering schedules, advice, info on supplements and drugs to avoid, etc is:

http://www.benzobuddies.org

Please reach out for help, quitting a benzo is not like quitting any other drug on earth.

I’m here if you have any questions.

Benzo Buddies member asks cult’s permission to renew driver’s license

Driver License renewal
« on: September 07, 2019, 02:24:49 pm »

Guinea pig

I’m curious for those that are at end of taper or very recently finished.

Could you renew your drivers license in your present condition?

Synthroid. 88 mcg
Losartan 100/25
Ambien. 10mg
Lorazepam 4mg
12/2018 3.0
2/2019. 2.75
3/2019. 2.5
4/2019. 2.25
5/2019. 2.0
6/10/19. 1.90 sxs Holding
8/17/19. 1.85

Bad news for Benzo Buddies: “Professor Ashton does not support or endorse any Internet support group”

https://www.benzo.org.uk/profash.htm