Former cult member spills beans on shocking abuse of mentally ill

A lot of people that are prescribed benzos ARE mentally ill and a lot of said mentally ill people ARE on Benzo Buddies.

When I found Benzo Buddies last year I was traumatized for a second time in my life.

This is such self-defeatist bullshit.

ANYONE who is in the vulnerable state of even mild acute benzo withdrawal (assuming they are part of the minority of people that actually have a really hard time with it) would be extra susceptible and sensitive to the power of suggestion to the degree in which being unfortunate enough to stumble across BenzoBuddies during such a time could mean SEVERE psychological damage.

I know because it happened to me. Had I not found that site and had the EVER LIVING NIPPLES scared off of me I do believe I would be OK right now. First I came off of opiates (prescribed) that I had been a “true addict” to… as in, physically dependent and using the painkillers daily to run from a hellish psychological nightmare… a bundle of awful automatic negative thinking and cognitive distortions that I created in my own mind after experiencing severe trauma for the first time in my life as well as panic attacks beginning at the 18th birthday party my friends in highschool were throwing me. There’s a point to my delving into this.

We all used recreational drugs in highschool… products of our environment I guess you could say (but not trying to avoid responsibility for my own actions.) and on that night I swallowed one to many of some sort of designer pills a friend had and everything went all messed up, impossible to verbalize because there is no reference point in our perceptions to place the change in psyche in contrast beside what it may have been earlier. Hard to detect a change but definitely something terrifying. This initial fear turned my ultra confident, truly happy self into a nervous wreck and I NEVER learned how to deal with it. After 5-6 months I realized that opiates were the only thing that made me not care about the looping anxious thoughts I was having which I now believe was a fear of feeling worry and fear themselves associating themselves with philosophical/existential questions that I believed to be the cause of my distress but it was all just a big cognitive distortion which was TRIGGERED by an initial OVERLOAD of fear and panic… like say the kind of fear and panic one might feel when they are tapering off a medication that their trusty doctor prescribed them… decide to look it up… and find fucking BenzoBuddies and the Ashton manual… supposedly a benzo professional that knows more than your doctor with thousands of people to back it all up… all using their own lingo… no longer associating with the rest of society but amongst themselves exclusively. How is the potentially (extra) neurotic & anxious person supposed to know that these thousands of people and this professional… the way it is being presented to them… it is simply the terrifying results of what a mass of people can do using fear and negative reinforcement to break people and reconstruct their minds in a manner in which will benefit THEM or their cause. (Hail fucking Xenu).

So basically… my underlying cause for medicating myself for 7 years of my life was the automatic negative thinking that occurred after a traumatic period in my life. What I was running from by using opiates was no more than an illusion created in my own pessimistic mind which was only pessimistic because of the initial negative event to begin with.

I think this is a great analogy for the poor souls at benzobuddies that weren’t lucky enough to realize that these sites are the results of a mass of people after being frightened and then manipulated by some VERY sick people. Look at this poster above.

“Don’t tell me it’s all in my head.”

I am not saying at all that the awful distress that benzobuddies members must endure… the suicidal, hopeless despair they feel as a result of having their worst fears confirmed… truly believing they will be crippled… unable to live their lives for YEARS and based on the word of THOUSANDS as well as a “professional when it comes to benzos” and a freaking book. Sorry, ADHD… I’m not saying that this awful distress is not real. But it’s BECAUSE of the attitude that corresponds with “Don’t tell me it’s all in my head.”

This is disgusting. It suggests that the human mind is powerless within the limitations of its own neurotransmitter systems. I’ve wondered a great deal about this chicken/egg ordeal here but I think it’s either both or neither. Either way… people have the ability to choose to fight against struggles in their lives regardless of their GABA, glutamate, dopamine, endorphin configurations. It’s this disgusting mentality corresponding with that quote that makes these… absolute victims feel like “No matter what I do I’m going to be sick.” “If I am depressed and do nothing but sit on benzobuddies all day it is not my fault. My doctor did this to me. All I can do is wait instead of… challenging the horrific hopeless negative thoughts that ALL manifested as a negative and exponentially, malignantly growing way of thinking that you could think of like a computer virus copying itself to the person’s entire psychological state of being.

Ugh. Sorry for the book. I know Mike59 and some others probably understand and agree with what I’m saying but it really bothers me that not a lot of others seem to be able to grasp what’s going on.

“It’s not my fault if I’m depressed and have become an invalid because benzobuddies says the doctors have carelessly poisoned me.”

“That’s a load of crap”

“No! You just don’t know professor ashton wrote about it in this… book and all of the benzobuddies and waves and windows and benzo belly and benzo brain… you know what I’m just going to go back to talking to benzobuddies… the only people who know what’s up”

How does anyone not see what is going on here?

Should anyone… TELL these people that anxiety and stress have 250+ physical and psychological symptoms alone? How about the anxiety of having someone tell you while in an anxious state that your life is essentially over… for 2-3 years if you’re lucky. The anxiety from that and the hopeless despair DEFINITELY are the cause of more symptoms than the benzowithdrawal itself. Statistically speaking, only about 18 people out of the entirety on that site should be experiencing ANY withdrawal.

LOOK HOW MUCH SUFFERING IS GOING ON FOR NOTHING and mike59 makes a site like this and it comes off as if his motives result from a personal vendetta so whether or not he is sincere in his mission to stop suffering in this enormous amount of people… it doesn’t matter because for the same reasons that people get sucked into the benzobuddies crap.. they get sucked into believing the critiquing of benzobuddies = hate which is just bullshit.

I have no ill intentions towards anyone on those sites unless they really are aware of the suffering they’re causing and not stopping it for the sake of supporting something like scientology… for the sake of being a part of something… whatever reason. Aside from that I wish every member on that site luck and athough I do agree that the site contains good information… why couldn’t the owners type up something like this post and put it in the user agreement to spare people the hellish nightmare of needlessly thinking their lives are over when their chances of experiencing withdrawal at ALL let alone needing to taper for years are less than 50%?

WHAT IS IT THAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND HERE? Just another example of humanity ostracizing the one person that isn’t part of the problem… of ludicrous misinformation in this case. Oh the rest of the world can’t comprehend what this post I wrote up in 15 mins means even if it could save lives. Benzobuddies that sounds like a nice name! Look it says its a forum for SUPPORT! Someone is ridiculing the support site? Let’s go ahead and asume they’re wrong and post hate pages that show up on google of the real names of people behind it and potentially jeopardize their real lives and the lives of their families for speaking up against our RIDICULOUSLY unimpressive (when considering the potential it has to help rather than hurt) support forum.

Yeah mike59 you’re a dick. How dare you provide an outlet for this type of life-saving information.

Ps. I tapered my 3mg of clonazepam 0.5 mg at a time over 2.5 months and then went 1/8 mg per week for 4 weeks to get off of the last half mg. I was on it for over half a decade every day. When I found benzobuddies last year I was traumatized for a second time in my life. I’m glad I was blessed enough to be a naturally critical thinker which allowed me to question what I was being taught there as I do most things to the extent in which one day my anxiety and despair suddenly alleviated to a ridiculous degree… almost to the point of euphoria… because I was thinking about some of the realities surrounding what a “hypochondria heaven” of that many people could truly cause in vulnerable people and realized some of the things I’ve mentioned in this post… and thus the nightmare world had an escape. I wasn’t doomed. I then punched in what I thought of benzobuddies to see if ANYONE noticed the flaw in these benzo forums (I’m not even getting into the fact that a lot of people that are prescribed benzos ARE mentally ill… and a lot of said mentally ill people ARE on benzobuddies. You will never see them contemplating whether or not someone should stay on their meds. How does this stuff not JUMP OUT AT EVERYONE?!” and when I did that I found this site ran by one “Mike Fifty-Nine”. After googling that handle I immediately found a hate site directed towards him threatening real life harm on the man behind the username? Because he’s doing this!

I’m ending this for the sake of the attention-spans of potential readers/lurkers with the assumption that my point has been made clear to anyone that is capable of thinking on a level that is not “absolutely moronic”. I don’t mean to be hostile but are there really only ~6 people in the world that are;

1. Aware of benzobuddies or similar sites.

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2. Capable of understanding this?! Seriously?

TL:DR – Take some d-amphetamines and try again. I’m not catering to people who can’t be bothered to read what I took the time to write with good intentions towards the very people that would be most likely to criticize the validity of what I’m saying and my motives for typing it. What a sad and frustrating state of affairs. Someone read this… and do something about the absolutely ludicrous existence of “benzo support forums” under the premise that it is QUITE OBVIOUS how they do more harm than good?

There. I tried. Let’s see if it was worth it. (I doubt it.) If anyone doubts the validity of what I’m saying still after reading this post I can keep going. I could specify on literally every quote on that poster up above and logically spell out why it’s representative of benzobuddies causing more harm than good (by far) and I still wouldn’t be 10% through making every point that I could brainstorm to back up my opinion (facts) surrounding BB and similar sites.

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Because of the possibility of my detractors here harassing those I care about, I regretfully have to leave this forum. If they do, they can be assured of immediate legal action. I’m going to be talking with an attorney today.
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« Reply #1 on: Today at 10:01:45 AM »

Quote from: grizzzle on Today at 09:52:41 AM

Because of the possibility of my detractors here harassing those I care about, I regretfully have to leave this forum. If they do, they can be assured of immediate legal action. I’m going to be talking with an attorney today.

Sorry to see you leave, Grizzle.  I am so sorry that people would make you feel  uncomfortable.  You have been very helpful, and polite here.  Hope you return soon, and that people will no longer bother you.  Best wishes.

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Quote from: Befuddled on Today at 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: grizzzle on Today at 09:52:41 AM
Because of the possibility of my detractors here harassing those I care about, I regretfully have to leave this forum. If they do, they can be assured of immediate legal action. I’m going to be talking with an attorney today.
Sorry to see you leave, Grizzle.  I am so sorry that people would make you feel  uncomfortable.  You have been very helpful, and polite here.  Hope you return soon, and that people will no longer bother you.  Best wishes. 

Hang around Grizzle dont let “him” get what he wants. But I can understand when your family is being harassed that you have to protect them. It is sad that people resort to attacking people on a support forum. Good luck man, come back later down the road and let us know how you are doing?

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« Reply #3 on: Today at 10:18:51 AM »

They have already been reported to the department of justice and the fbi. Im sure they even got to see the threat to the president that day.
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« Reply #4 on: Today at 10:50:13 AM »

This is the very reason this is the most utterly useless support forum on the internet.

Hard to get support when you can’t even speak honestly without fear for your family.

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Quote from: Befuddled on Today at 10:01:45 AM

Sorry to see you leave, Grizzle.  I am so sorry that people would make you feel  uncomfortable.  You have been very helpful, and polite here.  Hope you return soon, and that people will no longer bother you.  Best wishes. 

Thanks, and thanks to others for the supportive emails. It’s not me really I’m concerned about. I am not an island, and there are innocent people that can be harmed. I can not put them in the position of being in harm’s way, harm of any kind. I just spoke to my GF about it, she has a high-powered attorney  on retainer, and he will be looking into what can be done.
I will also be taking to common-law attorneys later in the day.
If they know what’s good for them, they will drop it. But I’m guessing they don’t. It’s unfortunate they need to resort to such things to squash helpful information. It just goes to show they have no valid counterpoint.
I’m sure things will continue as they have with my recovery.
The reason I’ve not been on much in the past couple of days is that I live with others who need help in various everyday activities. I’ve also been playing catch-up on some cleaning that needed to be done.
I wish everybody well and hope their recovery, by whatever means they choose, goes well.

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« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:08:37 AM »

So somebody on this forum is after your family?
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Quote from: Jar2003 on Today at 12:18:01 PM
I will no longer provide with any opposition to Mr. Grizzle’s need to be right or else mentality. If you really have someone going after you please post that person’s username so everyone is aware of it, but don’t say “my detractors” as it makes you look paranoid and puts a bunch of us who don’t agree with your nonsense in the same group. That’s cheap, but maybe you just need attention and that is just another trick up your Inosine stained sleeve to get it?Edgar
Don’t be a fool, edgar, you know he is not talking about you and you know very well what went down on this forum in the past year and still continues to go down to some point..  People are not allowed to openly talk about it or they get banned.  He is referring to be attacked off this forum by a former member who also continues to attack me all over the internet, including facebook.  so don’t act all naive here.   Fortunately el creepo has no “goods” on me, cause there are no “goods’ to be had on me.  I just post anything I want about myself cause i have no fear of creeps. that is how i live.   Flick
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« Reply #8 on: Today at 01:38:06 PM »

Don’t be a fool while drinking your jin and juice LOL!

Flick, read his “goodbye” post and you see that he uses the word “detractors”, which implies more than one person. I think one has to make sure that he uses the proper wording before making it seem like there are all these people after him because he’s talking about a supplement LOL

And yes if someone out there reading this is going beyond the normal silly arguing that we do on this forum, you need to check you mental health real quick, something is wrong with you.

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